see my edit. not sure what I am dressing up, I am providing a viewpoint.

/edit if you dont like the comment "the US rekt Iraq as much as Russia is recking Ukraine" I could also agree with : The US rekt Iraq after invading that country because the US are warmongers and they crippled that country for decades, and yes, they did more total war then what Russia was doing initially.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 2 2022 01:46pm

Disabling electricity and water will kill many people, civilians and not military. Hospitals. Doing this is a war crime. Iraq card can't work with me : I live in Europe and my country -refused- to attack Iraq in 2003.

That was because you haven't fully return to Nato in 2003.
When you did in 2009, You did this little shit in Libya which open the flood gates to all those crap that is happening in Europe now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya

also to clarify, a quick google:

From 1 to 30 September 2022, the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) recorded 1,222 civilian casualties in Ukraine:

299 killed (93 men, 73 women, 5 girls, 6 boys, as well as 1 child and 121 adults whose sex is yet unknown); and
923 injured (200 men, 129 women, 15 girls, 27 boys, as well as 17 children and 535 adults whose sex is yet unknown).

This included:

236 killed and 790 injured in 129 settlements in regions (parts of regions), which were under Government control when casualties occurred (84 percent of the total); and
63 killed and 133 injured in 10 settlements in parts of Luhansk and Donetsk regions controlled by Russian armed forces and affiliated armed groups (16 percent of the total).

Per type of weapon/incident:

Explosive weapons with wide area effects: 292 killed and 872 injured (95 per cent);
Mines and explosive remnants of war: 7 killed and 51 injured (5 per cent).

Total civilian casualties from 24 February to 2 October 2022

From 24 February to 2 October 2022, OHCHR recorded 15,246 civilian casualties in Ukraine: 6,114 killed and 9,132 injured.

a total of 6,114 killed (2,380 men, 1,633 women, 162 girls, and 193 boys, as well as 35 children and 1,711 adults whose sex is yet unknown)
a total of 9,132 injured (1,912 men, 1,382 women, 196 girls, and 268 boys, as well as 226 children and 5,148 adults whose sex is yet unknown)
In Donetsk and Luhansk regions: 8,527 casualties (3,644 killed and 4,883 injured)
On Government-controlled territory: 6,768 casualties (3,254 killed and 3,514 injured)
On territory controlled by Russian armed forces and affiliated armed groups: 1,759 casualties (390 killed and 1,369 injured)
In other regions of Ukraine (the city of Kyiv, and Cherkasy, Chernihiv, Ivano-Frankivsk, Kharkiv, Kherson, Kirovohrad, Kyiv, Mykolaiv, Odesa, Sumy, Zaporizhzhia, Dnipropetrovsk, Khmelnytskyi, Poltava, Rivne, Ternopil, Vinnytsia, Volyn, and Zhytomyr regions), which were under Government control when casualties occurred: 6,719 casualties (2,470 killed and 4,249 injured)

Most of the civilian casualties recorded were caused by the use of explosive weapons with wide area effects, including shelling from heavy artillery, multiple launch rocket systems, missiles and air strikes.

OHCHR believes that the actual figures are considerably higher, as the receipt of information from some locations where intense hostilities have been going on has been delayed and many reports are still pending corroboration. This concerns, for example, Mariupol (Donetsk region), Izium (Kharkiv region), Lysychansk, Popasna, and Sievierodonetsk (Luhansk region), where there are allegations of numerous civilian casualties.

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This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 2 2022 01:49pm

1) If It was America, Ukraine would have been out of electricity before March started.

2) No, targeting power generation is not a war crime: https://sites.duke.edu/lawfire/2022/10/27/is-attacking-the-electricity-infrastructure-used-by-civilians-always-a-war-crime/

3) Your country may not have attacked Iraq, but you also only restricted your condemnation to meaningless channels that can't hold America accountable, like the UN. Impossible to imagine France sanctioning America like it has Russia, lol. OTOH, France gleefully took part in the destruction of Libya, and just the other day you joked about Gaddafi being killed. That war turned the richest country in Africa into a slave state and armed the shit out of various jihadi groups, including ISIS. One of the guys in the Gaddafi lynching video went on to blow himself up at an Ariana Grande concert in Britain.

This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Nov 2 2022 01:54pm

It was during Lybian revolution. France recognized the dictator's opposition. Out of subject, out of topic.



It is a war crime, not necessary, because Russia is losing so bad it beat the civilians, it can't do anything else. Same for executions, rapes, loots, tortures. Russia. Putin.

This country will be judged by the rest of the world, by international court, LaHaye. Countries like China or whatever few crazy dictatorships will hardly defend it. Most of them will simply shut it because they are themselves criminals.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Nov 2 2022 02:02pm

just to tease this out, the above highlights the problems which occur after military action "ends" i.e. look at Iraq today and look at Ukriane when all this is over. the value of life for some people is going to be so much lower then it is currently (already low).

They did more than recognize his opposition....

Opération Harmattan is worth reading about.

Whatever, Ukraine had no future before this war started. It had no future even before the 2014 coup. It's the only former-bloc nation to never recover economically. It was (and still is) shedding population every year because everyone knows the situation is hopeless. No wonder everyone in the East wants to join Russia.

Yeah, look at Iraq today, genius. Massive protests against the US who are still there. 10 people just died at a football game bomb attack, how many suicide bombings took place per year under Saddam?

Christ you people.


You bombed Libya. With planes.

And turned the richest country in Africa, a country with universal health care and 99% literacy, into a country with open air slave auctions.

I would like to correct my previous post it was not johnny.

My apologies to Johnny

this will be Palasan's new account if he gets his 10%

JamesRoberts

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