Quote (thundercock @ Jun 4 2020 10:54am)

You'd be surprised. Some of the least intelligent people end up on a jury. Goomshill is trying to convince us that these charges are absolutely outrageous and the officer's civil liberties have been violated. I've cited the laws involved and I agree that it's a tough sell but there have been no violations.

Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 3 2020 07:54pm)

Well unless you knew they had a heart condition and were intentionally trying to cause the heart attack then yea criminal liability doesn't follow the same eggshell head rule as tort / civil law. Aside from whatever immunities apply here, liability over causing someone's heart attack would at least give Floyd's family a recourse to sue the department/state/whatever. But they could just sit afk on their couches for the next few months without hiring a lawyer and still have keith ellison drive a dump truck filled with money to their front yard so I don't think that's too relevant.

Felony murder rule requires the intentional commission of a violent felony that a reasonable person would know poses a lethal risk to the public. Ie, robbing a bank.
The murder itself can't be the felony.

What kind of tortured legal case would they have to make to say the police were committing a felony irrespective of George Floyd's death, something that would be grounds to convict them even if he hadn't suffered any ill effect?
At least in the Arbery case when people delved into this Beria-esque search for a crime, false arrest / detention / kidnapping / etc were all within reach.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Jun 3 2020 09:09pm)

So... the tl;dr

If the police officer is rightly set free (not guilty), will the ensuing riots help or hurt Trump? I can't tell anymore.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jun 3 2020 09:14pm)

I've found some of these people so unhinged that no matter what happens they will hate Trump. It's crazy how hyper focused and fixated some have become with Trump. I don't think i'v ever seen such hate and absolute obsession with one person. Even if independent coroners all agree that he died of a heart attack, nothing would change.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Jun 3 2020 08:55pm)

Seems pretty clear cut to me as murder 2, police brutality is a felony.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jun 3 2020 08:14pm)

I've found some of these people so unhinged that no matter what happens they will hate Trump. It's crazy how hyper focused and fixated some have become with Trump. I don't think i'v ever seen such hate and absolute obsession with one person. Even if independent coroners all agree that he died of a heart attack, nothing would change.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Jun 4 2020 11:18am)

I'm apt to agree. My social news feed is a tidal wave of regurgitated outrage from clickbait media outlets. These people have been brainwashed.

Hopefully I'm wrong like last time.



Inb4 the trial finds his maneuvers legal and valid by police training.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 3 2020 08:08pm)

Felony murder rule just says you can charge accessories with a murder that takes place during a felony that they were involved in. You don't have to be committing a felony to be charged with murder. The officers who were charged besides Chauvin were charged as accessories I think.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Jun 3 2020 08:20pm)

Can you show me police training showing a knee to the back of the neck?

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USE OF NECK RESTRAINTS AND CHOKE HOLDS

DEFINITIONS I

Neck Restraint:
Non-deadly force option. Defined as compressing one or both sides of a person’s neck with an arm or leg, without applying direct pressure to the trachea or airway (front of the neck). Only sworn employees who have received training from the MPD Training Unit are authorized to use neck restraints. The MPD authorizes two types of neck restraints: Conscious Neck Restraint and Unconscious Neck Restraint.


Unconscious Neck Restraint:
The subject is placed in a neck restraint with the intention of rendering the person unconscious by applying adequate pressure.

Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 4 2020 11:30am)