again ?

he will be posting on this if Palasan gets 10%

JohnnyMcCoy

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Be thankful Ukraine is fighting Russians and not Americans. First weeks of the second invasion of Iraq saw some 7000 dead. I don't think all the past month's missile strikes in Ukraine have killed 200 civilians.

Came back to see if chopdix is still alive

OHCHR has estimated the number of deaths of civilians, or non-armed individuals, in Ukraine at over 6.3 thousand since the start of the war on February 24, 2022



I dont ever recall this fearless legacy. its very difficult for a nation to rise up when all of its institutions are corrupt to the core.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 2 2022 01:25pm

10% warn. he can't post at the moment , unless...

If it was America, Ukraine would have 90,000 dead, no power from day 2, cholera epidemics from the lack of sewage and 3 million refugees

Forgot the name other than what I typed… I’m assuming he’s still peddling Putin propaganda

What's up with Johnny? He was/is a nice person. Not to mention Hungarian. We are not many.

This post was edited by Norlander on Nov 2 2022 01:31pm

Well, if America invaded Ukraine for sure the war would have been over within days/weeks but there are so many caveats to that. I dont think you can compare the two together. I mean lets say the US invaded Canada, i.e. US / Canada and then Russia / Ukraine ? Right?

So, if the US invaded Canada...

well, the US would not invade Canada. Canada would simply not join China / Russia. so the whole notion of "what civilian casualties would there be" falls by the way side. you cant compare like for like noting Russia is not waging total war, and does not have the conventional capabilities of the US and the starting points are so different.

Lets try something else, The US invades Cuba, well, instead they just sanction the shit out of it, again a Tool Russia cannot adopt.
Lets try, The US invades Iraq, well, yes they rekt that country just as much as Russia is recking Ukraine right now.

i.e. The US has more tools at its disposal to deal with countries. Russia few tools. It cant sanction (as well as the US can), it cant regime change (as well as the US can), it cant wage war as well as the US can either.

from a detached viewpoint the best option for Russia would have been to assassinate or remove the Ukrainian government and reinstate a pro-russian government into Ukraine. Russia lacked the ability to do that, ergo, invaded.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 2 2022 01:37pm

We're talking about who fights war more brutally and with less regard for civilian life. America obviously takes that crown.

The Iraq War had absolutely no justification what-so-ever, whereas I've seen you reference the 2014 Mearsheimer video many times.

America immediately crippled Iraq's civilian infrastructure and governance apparatuses. Russia has so far only begrudgingly done the first one and has done so by only hitting the more easily repaired substations that distribute power, not the plants themselves.

America's wars in West Asia have (so far, we're still counting) created 40 million internal and external refugees, total deaths in Iraq have been estimated somewhere north of a million dead. Russia has killed 6300 in 8 months.

Dress it up all you want, it's perfectly clear to anyone that America is worse in every respect than Russia when it comes to wartime conduct.

This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Nov 2 2022 01:40pm