to be quite frank, he is/was better then most of the alternatives, and for ukraine it is seriously a case of come the moment come the man.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 1 2022 03:58pm

I can see why people latched onto him. He promised peace, and satirists come off as being less ideologically rigid, able to see flaws in all things (and then make fun of it). But no, he went and met with Azov in the field and they shut him the fuck down, in a very clear display of where power actually resides in the Ukrainian state. Wouldn't be surprised if it was explicitly explained to him that compromise = assassination, a message that Kireev - the negotiator that the SBU shivved - wasn't important enough to get.


Zelensky has no power. He's a figurehead. Effective marketing tool and nothing more at this point.

This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Nov 1 2022 04:06pm

False, he's an elected president, world known, completely supported by his people.
If gets assinated the victory against terrorists could be compromised or slowed down by alot.

He didn't hide in foreign country. Putin & mafioso oligarches & fsb fascists must be neutralized asap, or at least broken down to a point the sloppy russian people will do something to build a real democracy.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Nov 1 2022 04:14pm

Cool down with the racism.

There's no racism inthere, seek help.

Well, maybe Russia also gets to keep its pre-2022 possessions in Donbass. Those are densely populated regions in which Russia had 8 years to entrench itself, winning them back will not be easy. I remain highly sceptical, however, that Russia will be able to hold the territory in between, the Kherson and Melitopol oblasts.

In any case, what is not negotiable from Ukraine's perspective is EU membership and free choice of military cooperations, i.e. that they can keep being supplied by their NATO allies, even if they don't formally join NATO and won't host large concentrations of NATO troops on their soil.



Just to reiterate this point: NATO did not strive to expand eastwards, it were the Eastern European countries like Poland, Czechia or Romania which strived toward NATO because they were scared of the Russians forcing them back under their rule once their post-1991 period of weakness was over. Likewise, there was already a strong tilt toward the West in significant segments of Ukraine's society back in 2004, and even more so a decade later.

At the end of the day, I think that the deciding factor for Ukraine tilting to the West over Russia was not the pull of NATO and its eastward expansion - I believe the x-factor was the pull of the EU with its economic opportunity and rule of law, as opposed to the stagnant economy, the corrupt oligarchy and the legal uncertainty in Putin's Russia.

Describing ~150,000,000 people as sloppy based on their country of origin/ethnicity is racist. A quick survey of your recent posts here shows even worse comments aimed at specific nationalities. I’m sure you can debate your points without resorting to rhetoric like this

Wow this Russian scammer multi still here?
Was hoping you would be mobilized and dead by now
I am sad

So if the United States is so completely unreliable in honoring any agreements, why does it even matter if NATO expands?

Freaking NATO MASTERS never know what kind of foul genocide they are planning in countries they invaded and enslaved like Latvia, Lithuania, Poland etc. People in those countries starving as NATO Masters and US troops raid their houses for last loaf of bread.