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Oct 31 2022 05:45am
— Jedliśmy amputowane nogi i ręce — wyznał w rozmowie z dziennikarzem Onetu Marcinem Wyrwałem Krzysztof, jedyny Polak, który walczył w oblężonych przez Rosjan zakładach metalurgicznych Azowstal w Mariupolu.

("We ate amputated legs and arms," Krzysztof, the only Pole who fought in the Russian-besieged Azovstal metallurgical plant in Mariupol, told Onet.)

Source: https://wiadomosci.onet.pl/tylko-w-onecie/wstrzasajace-wyznanie-jedynego-polaka-ktory-walczyl-w-azowstalu/7977pk9

Ironfister may tell if this source is any trustworthy.
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Oct 31 2022 09:10am
Lvivz is busy celebrating

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Oct 31 2022 10:49am
Quote (Norlander @ 31 Oct 2022 16:10)
Lvivz is busy celebrating

https://i.imgur.com/ZkaVAry.jpg


from the same "author"

"These are lies. There is no evidence of Uighur “concentration camps.” More hybrid war against China."

https://twitter.com/freedomrideblog/status/1301942376563441666?s=20&t=3VEsNjUB4-gl1j8adA-d_A

Imo this woman is a disruption agen/influencert probably paid by china and/or russia. There are many like this.
Or she's just unhinged.

Seems she's also very active in promoting a "multipolar world without US and West Lakey". Meeting paid and offered by Russia, in Russia...


Anyway, the lie here is that you have few hundred of people doing this, and some people are amalgaming with the whole town, with the whole country...

Imagine being that fucking stupid.

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Oct 31 2022 10:53am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Oct 31 2022 12:49pm)
from the same "author"

"These are lies. There is no evidence of Uighur “concentration camps.” More hybrid war against China."

https://twitter.com/freedomrideblog/status/1301942376563441666?s=20&t=3VEsNjUB4-gl1j8adA-d_A

Imo this woman is a disruption agen/influencert probably paid by china and/or russia. There are many like this.
Or she's just unhinged.

Anyway, the lie is that you have few hundred of people doing this, and some people are amalgaming with the whole town, with the whole country...

Imagine being that fucking stupid.


Instead of trying to discredit the re-tweeter for a dunk you could simply have googled if the content was accurate lol.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hundreds-in-ukraine-attend-marches-celebrating-nazi-ss-soldiers/

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Instead of trying to discredit the re-twitter for a dunk you could simply have googled if the content was accurate lol.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hundreds-in-ukraine-attend-marches-celebrating-nazi-ss-soldiers/[/URL]


You are doing a deflection:

hundreds-in-ukraine you read it ?

If can find dozens of thousands "nazis" in US or in Russia if you want... Have a nice one and good luck.
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Oct 31 2022 11:00am
Let's post real content:

Source;

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/monde/europe/manifestations-en-ukraine/ukraine-les-frappes-russes-sont-des-phenomenes-de-diversion-selon-le-specialiste-des-questions-de-defense-pierre-servent_5450311.html

Translation;

https://www-francetvinfo-fr.translate.goog/monde/europe/manifestations-en-ukraine/ukraine-les-frappes-russes-sont-des-phenomenes-de-diversion-selon-le-specialiste-des-questions-de-defense-pierre-servent_5450311.html?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Some parts:

Ukraine: Russian strikes are "diversionary phenomena", according to defense specialist Pierre Servent
The specialist Pierre Servent believes that by striking more, the Russian forces divert attention from the reality on the ground which is unfavorable to them.

Despite the retreat of the Russian army, the strikes are increasing. Why ?

The further back power is, the more decoys it multiplies. There are not only artificial lures, they terrify by striking the territory. And they create diversionary phenomena so that we spend more time commenting on the fear that Moscow arouses than the reality on the ground which is very unfavorable to them. And then there is also a military objective. With these strikes, the Ukrainians are forced to hold on to a whole part of the territory, away from the front. Thus, Putin prevents kyiv from deploying its troops on the front line, in particular its anti-aircraft defense forces.


Here we go.
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Oct 31 2022 11:04am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Oct 31 2022 12:55pm)
You are doing a deflection:

hundreds-in-ukraine you read it ?

If can find dozens of thousands "nazis" in US or in Russia if you want... Have a nice one and good luck.


You attacking the source is the deflection, it's a classic ad-hominem.

What am I deflecting? That tweet by Piotr is reality. He maybe chose his words carefully to make it sound that the support is espoused by all Ukrainians implicitly which wouldn't be true, but it's totally true that in Lviv they venerate these Nazis and this veneration has only grown in recent years to the point where before it was only happening in Lviv, and now it's acceptable in Kiev as well.

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Israel’s Foreign Ministry and Ukrainian Jews, who according to a 2020 demographic study number about 47,000, have protested the veneration of the 1st Galician and other collaborators. But the collaborators’ popularity has soared following the 2014 war with Russia.
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You attacking the source is the deflection, it's a classic ad-hominem.

What am I deflecting? That tweet by Piotr is reality. He maybe chose his words carefully to make it sound that the support is espoused by all Ukrainians implicitly which wouldn't be true, but it's totally true that in Lviv they venerate these Nazis and this veneration has only grown in recent years to the point where before it was only happening in Lviv, and now it's acceptable in Kiev as well.


1st country outside Israel with Jewish PM. :lol:
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Oct 31 2022 11:11am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Oct 31 2022 01:07pm)
1st country outside Israel with Jewish PM. :lol:


I guess Russian propaganda so strong that even times of israel and dozens of papers in the west reported on this. :wacko:
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Oct 31 2022 11:22am
Quote (ofthevoid @ 31 Oct 2022 18:11)
I guess Russian propaganda so strong that even times of israel and dozens of papers in the west reported on this. :wacko:


The Kyiv march by about 300 people was an import from the western city of Lviv, which for several years has hosted such events. A day earlier, hundreds attended a larger Embroidery March there.
47000 was a cumulative number over years, maybe decades... To note down: "But the collaborators’ popularity has soared following the 2014 war with Russia."

President Vlodymyr Zelensky, who is Jewish, condemned the embroidery marches, which had been conducted legally.
“We categorically condemn any manifestation of propaganda of totalitarian regimes, in particular the National Socialist, and attempts to revise truth about World War II,” he said Friday in a statement.



I guess it arrange the worse kind of people to talk about this than war crimes done by Putin & Co.



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