A blind trust in a figure of dubious authority trying to strip away fundamental civil liberties?

Santara Fascist

Holy fuck.

There's no way in hell the media is going to tell the truth about this.

Even if he had fentanyl at a depressing level in his system that doesn't necessarily absolve the officer, as he was walking around prior the officer's actions still likely caused the death. Again, this isn't "I just bumped him and he fell over dead", it's "I sat on him for 10 minutes with 3 other officers". It's a point in the officer's favor, but it's not going to get him off on its own.

If the charges are upgraded (as expected) to 2nd degree murder, there is a good chance he walks.

I think it depends on the rules. If he can be charged with multiple levels of murder, and they can substantiate one of them, then he won't. I don't know the nuances, but the news stories I see say he's been charged with multiple things from manslaughter up to second degree murder.

Before the officers even restrained him the 911 caller said he was so high he was incoherent, and Floyd repeatedly said "I can't breathe" and exhibited medical distress before being restrained.

There are two competing theories here, one that George Floyd died of homicide inflicted by asphyxiation, one that he experienced heart failure due to natural/drug causes.
And somewhere inbetween there's a degree of culpability based on how much of a factor the restraint actually was in his death and whether it was justified. In the pure homicide narrative, George only died because police choked him and would still be alive and well today otherwise and the entire guilt lies with the officers for unreasonable use of force. In the pure natural causes narrative, George only died because his heart gave out under immense strain and would have happened irrespective of the cop's actions. Trying to reconcile those two competing theories and find the truth between them we have to be guided by the facts and evidence.

And we just got dumped a ton of evidence that establishes George Floyd had basically every extreme comorbidity risk possible of coronavirus, sickle cell anemia, heart disease and multi-substance abuse- and there's no physical signs of trauma at all. And that's on top of evidence indicating possible heart failure prior to being restrained.

And this is a second degree murder case?
the facts are on earth, the legal case is off somewhere in the kuiper belt

Lets ignore the fact that had they held him up and called an ambulance he would likely be alive and not even mention that as an option.
I watched the entire video, how many chest compressions were there?
At no stage did they even attempt to help.
When he was completely unresponsive they STILL never attempted to help.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Jun 3 2020 06:33pm

"Failure to render aid" in Minnesota is a petty misdemeanor, not considered a crime, and punishable by up to a $300 fine and no jail time.
It would be a completely different standard from manslaughter (cause without intent) or murder (cause with intent)

This isn't failing to render aid, this is PREVENTING aid.
They did not aid him, they did not allow him to get aid, this directly caused his death.
If you are drowning in the ocean and i push you away with a big stick every time you nearly reach the shore i have not failed to render aid, i have murdered you.

There's also "stopped him from getting aid on his own" and "actively exacerbated the underlying condition". Somebody having a pre-existing condition doesn't mean you can't make the condition worse and have that result in their death.

Might be enough to take it down to some type of manslaughter though. All the news reports are reporting multiple charges from manslaughter to 2nd degree murder, so can they just take the lowest one that sticks?