Quote (thundercock @ 15 Jan 2020 10:19)

There's a lot of data out there regarding "2nd choices." Both Biden and Warren benefit from Bernie dropping out by a large margin. It seems that Bernie has quite a bit of support willing to go to Biden and I have a feeling it's the blue collar rust belt folks as opposed to progressives.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 15 Jan 2020 08:09)

You're right. I guess Bernie's angry revolutionary rhetoric just doesnt appeal to the college-educated, upscale "wine track" liberals which form Warren's base. For them, the system is generally working pretty well, they just want to see it made more equitable and fair out of ideological and moral reasons; they dont want to see it burned down.

However, even if Bernie's 16% were split up evenly among Warren and Biden, that imho would help Warren a lot more than Biden. She'd be the clear cut #2 in the race, and the lone choice for lefties. In terms of donations, media coverage and all that, she would gain much more from that than Biden. In particular, it would allow her to distance herself from Buttigieg and poach many college-educated liberals from his base.

Quote (ThatAlex @ 15 Jan 2020 21:18)

Wine track liberals. Heh. I like it. There is definitely a difference between the working class liberals that tend to support Sanders and the upper crusty Liberals of the coass that tend to gravitate towards Warren.

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To me, Biden represents the Democratic party's desperate attempt to cling onto Barack Obama to save them. We have no new face or leader of our party, so the former VP of our former savior is the best we got. And maybe it's true, he could be the Democrats' best chance to beat Trump. But if he is, he is just a bandaid on a huge flesh wound. The Democratic party is in the middle of an identity crisis and leadership vacuum.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 15 Jan 2020 15:28)

The opposite of the 'wine track' is called 'beer track' by pols. ;)




I think this all comes down to 2008. Hillary should have won the primary back then, and she would have put away McCain just as easily. And been a passable president. Then, Obama could have run in 2016 or 2020 and been the new face and leader of the Democratic party. In particular, I think that Obama would have been a better president if he had gotten into office ~10 years later.

In a weird sense, I think that Obama rose through the ranks too quickly, that it wasnt truly his time yet in 2008. Which is a weird thing to say, considering the iconic campaign he ran and the landslide victory he achieved.

By ""jumping the queue"" in 2008, Obama's political career ended too soon. The guy who was primed to be the leader of the Democrats from ~2016 to 2030 instead burned out too quickly and left a huge void behind which no one from the old guard, but also no one else from his own generation (Booker, Harris, Klobuchar, Gillibrand etc.) could fill.

Quote (excellence @ 15 Jan 2020 21:35)

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yep, remember this? i was thinking at the time with how Obama won the Presidency and how miserable the (R)s were (and most of their candidates still are) that his victory would actually kick off a long stretch of (D) presidents. turns out they had no bench of youthful talent at all.
then again, if it wasn't for Trump they'd be sitting pretty right now with another Clinton in office

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 15 2020 03:53pm)

well, Obama has to bear at least some blame for the way his party atrophied at the local and state level during his presidency. just like he has to bear some blame for his naivity and misguided idealism during his first 2 years in office. which is why I said that he (imho) would have been a better president had he come into office 8 or 12 years later.

Quote (Skinned @ 15 Jan 2020 22:40)

Hopefully the next Democrat with a super majority is strong and doesn't try to collaborate with republicans like Obama did, agreed.

Quote (Skinned @ Jan 15 2020 04:40pm)

Hopefully the next Democrat with a super majority is strong and doesn't try to collaborate with republicans like Obama did, agreed.

Quote (Skinned @ Jan 15 2020 01:40pm)

Hopefully the next Democrat with a super majority is strong and doesn't try to collaborate with republicans like Obama did, agreed.

Quote (LA-Leviathan @ Jan 15 2020 05:29pm)

Where's the californian cuck, I'm sure he could give you a nice handy.