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Oct 26 2022 07:02am
Quote (Norlander @ Oct 26 2022 02:00pm)
I'm not talking about taxes, but donations. It also may be taxes if they allow jobless men to leave Ukraine and work somewhere else for a decent EU salary.


Its normal for polish people to emigrate out of poland, for better jobs (money). Its normal in alot of countries, including my own.
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Oct 26 2022 07:03am
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the amount of dollars is quite mind boggeling and my mind is not made to think about these things. It looked like 30billion+ in 8 years. imagine if they invested that recent 17 Billion 8 years ago.
I would expect Russia to fully mobilize at some point, unless some bright spark and show me the error in my logic (Russia losing).


need a reason for that, which could be all the bs about "Ukranian dirty bomb" kremlin been pushing recently.
Full mobilization = goodbye economy and could lead to full blown military coup due to unrest, Putin is not willing to risk so "partial mobilization" waves all is to be expected, we are capturing 50-60 Russians a day at the moment who come barehanded as they throw away weapons they been given. They don't know what they are doing here, theres no objectives really, their orders are "sit in trenches and hold on" with little to no resources.


Sad kusotarres account on this site is disabled, his bs about 6k dead since start of the war was hilarious.

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the amount of dollars is quite mind boggeling and my mind is not made to think about these things. It looked like 30billion+ in 8 years, and a further 20billion+ from the EU this year. imagine if they invested all that 8 years ago.
I would expect Russia to fully mobilize at some point, unless some bright spark and show me the error in my logic (Russia losing).


If Ukraine has been used and is a lost cause it will be ignored. 30 billions or whatever is nothing compared to the future (1trillion+) reparation cost. Ain't nobody touching that.

Ukraine is just something to hurt Russians with, and as long as they can keep going they will keep throwing cash at it. The moment it looks like a lost cause, they will just throw a few pennies at it and Ukrainians will live in dirt. This is just another case of iraq/syria/libya/afghanistan etc
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Quote (Lvivz @ Oct 26 2022 02:03pm)
need a reason for that, which could be all the bs about "Ukranian dirty bomb" kremlin been pushing recently.
Full mobilization = goodbye economy and could lead to full blown military coup due to unrest, Putin is not willing to risk so "partial mobilization" waves all is to be expected, we are capturing 50-60 Russians a day at the moment who come barehanded as they throw away weapons they been given. They don't know what they are doing here, theres no objectives really, their orders are "sit in trenches and hold on" with little to no resources.


Sad kusotarres account on this site is disabled, his bs about 6k dead since start of the war was hilarious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTbdqdG1ZwE


A reason for Russia to mobilize would be when Ukraine moves to reclaim Crimea, or an event occurs which escalates the war. I am not being purposely vague, its just that I see nothing stopping Ukraine from winning this war as it stands, therefore Russia will at some point have to either surrender (unlikely) or fully mobilize, or do something else (either Putin dies, is replaced or he goes all in).

This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 26 2022 07:09am
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Its normal for polish people to emigrate out of poland, for better jobs (money). Its normal in alot of countries, including my own.


It's not only normal, it's more effective than just mobilize someone to work for $180
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Quote (ferdia @ Oct 26 2022 04:07pm)
A reason for Russia to mobilize would be when Ukraine moves to reclaim Crimea, or an event occurs which escalates the war. I am not being purposely vague, its just that I see nothing stopping Ukraine from winning this war as it stands, therefore Russia will at some point have to either surrender (unlikely) or fully mobilize, or do something else (either Putin dies, is replaced or he goes all in.


The partial mobilized 300-500k will tip the balance hard, and they will go on offensive. But impossible to know what happens after that.

Could just turn into a generational war with stops and starts every 2-10 years. Wars are impossible to predict, it isn't even worth trying.

Anyone telling you otherwise is a 100% monkey fucker btw.

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The partial mobilized 300-500k will tip the balance hard, and they will go on offensive. But impossible to know what happens after that.

Could just turn into a generational war with stops and starts every 2-10 years. Wars are impossible to predict, it isn't even worth trying.

Anyone telling you otherwise is a 100% monkey fucker btw.


The running narrative, which I agree with, is that Ukraine will retake everything it has lost by the end of the year, and that they will move on Crimea next year. This is not the first time I have said this. If Ukraine moves on Crimea that would in my mind induce a response from Russia, and therefore next year we can expect the war to escalate. While there was talk some years ago *2017* (with video interview with Ukrainian military advisor - previously posted in this thread) where Ukraine envisaged stop starts over a number of years , which you have alluded to here, I would say that we are still a bit away from a cessation of hostilities, or a pause, and would go so far to say that things are continuing to ramp up with no sign of a lul.

All that we are seeing here is Ukraine doing well and Russia on the back foot. Russia will respond and we will enter a new chapter of this war.

This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 26 2022 07:22am
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Oct 26 2022 07:21am
Quote (Norlander @ 26 Oct 2022 15:00)
I'm not talking about taxes, but donations. It also may be taxes if they allow jobless men to leave Ukraine and work somewhere else for a decent EU salary.


Relying on voluntary donations from abroad could be risky.
People are not really making enough voluntary payments :(
Its all about taxes everywhere in the world :(
If those people are truly jobless then 200usd better than nothing I guess?
Unless they make some unofficial, untaxed profit...
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The partial mobilized 300-500k will tip the balance hard, and they will go on offensive. But impossible to know what happens after that.

Could just turn into a generational war with stops and starts every 2-10 years. Wars are impossible to predict, it isn't even worth trying.

Anyone telling you otherwise is a 100% monkey fucker btw.


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The running narrative, which I agree with, is that Ukraine will retake everything it has lost by the end of the year, and that they will move on Crimea next year. This is not the first time I have said this. If Ukraine moves on Crimea that would in my mind induce a response from Russia, and therefore next year we can expect the war to escalate. While there was talk some years ago *2017* (with video interview with Ukrainian military advisor - previously posted in this thread) where Ukraine envisaged stop starts over a number of years , which you have alluded to here, I would say that we are still a bit away from a cessation of hostilities, or a pause, and would go so far to say that things are continuing to ramp up with no sign of a lul.

All that we are seeing here is Ukraine doing well and Russia on the back foot. Russia will respond and we will enter a new chapter of this war.


Russia has already responded with the mobilization wave, expect even more waves to come if need be. The new forces which is like 2x the previous haven't even hit the frontlines yet, they are still training and frontlines will be saturated in like 4weeks? Another thing many have been ignoring is the fact that russia has formed a cohesive leadership for the partial mobilization of the economy as well, it means that russians are amping up production hard, which isn't something you do if the war is gonna be temporary (it takes many months to reorganize and increase production lines).

Basically the time frame for ukranian offensives is like 4-6 weeks at most. I wouldn't predict more than a few weeks at a time, it is delusional.

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