Quote (RedFromWinter @ Dec 9 2019 12:46pm)

Love that Infowars got to open the hearing today.

Quote (Ghot @ 9 Dec 2019 15:43)

Well after having points of order ignored and GOP witnesses not allowed, I would try to mess up the hearings also.
Everyone already knows this whole shebang is a crock, but at least they ought to play by their own rules.

Quote (Brian_D @ Dec 9 2019 02:23pm)

... Let me know when Trump stops blocking people from testifying and then you can complain.

Quote (Phaggot @ Dec 9 2019 04:00pm)

You mean GOP witnesses not allowed like the Whistleblower? The one with Legal Rights to not be revealed?

Or are you talking about the over a dozen subpeonas that the Republicans unlawfully go against?


Just the fact that you try to 'mess up the hearings' alone shows the lack of respect for due process. A staple in the Trump campaign. Pitiful how the GOP uses that as a defense contrast to their own arguments.

Quote (krackprophet @ Dec 9 2019 04:15pm)

Challenging subpoenas isn't unlawful. It's a normal process that happens constantly. Just because a bunch of partisans call something unlawful doesn't make it so.

Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 9 2019 04:32pm)

I think the only really cogent argument to come out of the impeachment hearings for the past week has been that of Jonathan Turley on just that subject;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzujlEdCdtM

Pelosi/Schiff can't reasonably draft articles of impeachment that accuse the president of obstruction of justice for delaying their impeachment proceedings by challenging subpoenas in court, because that would amount to congress saying that the executive asking the judiciary to assert their constitutional powers of review is a high crime. The partisans are calling the very exercise of the law, unlawful, which is all the more ironic because this entire impeachment proceeding is about Trump asking Ukraine to lawfully investigate alleged crimes in the first place.

Granted, they haven't actually drawn up articles yet, so we don't know if they're make that bogus allegation part of it. Heck, we don't even know if they're going to include anything from the Mueller report and they want these articles voted on in less than 2 weeks. Its eerily like how the ACA was drafted in secret and then sprung on congress at the last minute for a vote with nobody knowing the substance of it, despite years of deliberations.

Quote (krackprophet @ 9 Dec 2019 23:43)

He pretty much voiced exactly how I feel about this whole thing so far. 3 people yelling impeach now or we're doomed. 1 guy saying you should take more time to build an actual solid case.

Quote (Phaggot @ Dec 9 2019 05:00pm)

You mean GOP witnesses not allowed like the Whistleblower? The one with Legal Rights to not be revealed?

Or are you talking about the over a dozen subpeonas that the Republicans unlawfully go against?


Just the fact that you try to 'mess up the hearings' alone shows the lack of respect for due process. A staple in the Trump campaign. Pitiful how the GOP uses that as a defense contrast to their own arguments.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 9 2019 04:49pm)

The case against Trump is solid. The big problem for Democrats: they have a pretty solid case for misconduct which, at the end of the day, just doesnt come anywhere near being bad enough to justify removing a democratically elected president from office.

Quote (krackprophet @ Dec 9 2019 06:26pm)

Basing a case on assumptions does not make it solid.

Quote (krackprophet @ 10 Dec 2019 00:26)

Basing a case on assumptions does not make it solid.