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Jan 14 2020 06:49pm
Quote (thundercock @ Jan 14 2020 02:21pm)
What evidence do you have to support this wild speculation? If he didn't stumble now, after over half a dozen debates, hundreds of campaign stops, and POTUS abusing the office to go after his family....why would he stumble now? What event do you expect to happen between now and the future?


This is my only sensible argument at this point. He's guarded by angels.
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Jan 14 2020 10:27pm
biden 2020!
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1. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html
Since June (pre-debates), he tends to fluctuate between the low 30s and mid 20s and it's remarkably consistent.

2. How often does excitement win you a primary? Howard Dean was more exciting than John Kerry. Almost everyone was more exciting than both John McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012. Votes win primaries and as long as your campaign can turn out the vote, it doesn't matter how packed your rallies are. The fact of the matter is that older voters are CONSISTENT in their voting patterns and so are people of color.

3. I'm not sure if Democrats know what Democrats want outside of beating Trump. Polling has consistently corroborated that beating Trump is far more important than finding a candidate you agree with. The past few primaries have shown that voters don't really care about policy, rather, they care about personality. When it comes to personality, Biden, Sanders, and Pete seem to do best there.

The way I see it, as long as Biden hits at least 15% (delegate threshold) in predominately white states, there's no way he could lose. If he is the delegate leader or within 10% of the delegate leader BEFORE South Carolina, he effectively wins the primary. Super Tuesday should favor him immensely.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-6731.html Basically a 4 way tie in Iowa
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_presidential_primary-6276.html 2 way tie in NH
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/nv/nevada_democratic_presidential_caucus-6866.html Biden leading but Nevada is also really hard to poll so I'd take it with a grain of salt

Super Tuesday has North Carolina, Virginia, Texas, and California as the largest states. Biden is crushing it in Texas and in a 3 way tie in California.


Fair points. You're right that Biden does have some consistent voting groups in his favor and will probably clean up in the South.

He probably benefits from a larger field. His name recognition and status as a former VP helps him more in a crowded field. If Warren drops out early on, Sanders will likely see a boost (and vice versa). If Buttigieg drops out, I'm not so sure his votes will go to Biden even though they are the two most moderate. They have different bases. If it remains this core 4 for a while, Biden has a better shot imo.
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Jan 15 2020 12:50am
Good point. If Bernie and Warren werent splitting the progressive vote, either of them could give Biden a run for his money by being THE candidate of the left...

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 14 2020 10:50pm)
Good point. If Bernie and Warren werent splitting the progressive vote, either of them could give Biden a run for his money by being THE candidate of the left...


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Fair points. You're right that Biden does have some consistent voting groups in his favor and will probably clean up in the South.

He probably benefits from a larger field. His name recognition and status as a former VP helps him more in a crowded field. If Warren drops out early on, Sanders will likely see a boost (and vice versa). If Buttigieg drops out, I'm not so sure his votes will go to Biden even though they are the two most moderate. They have different bases. If it remains this core 4 for a while, Biden has a better shot imo.


There's a lot of data out there regarding "2nd choices." Both Biden and Warren benefit from Bernie dropping out by a large margin. It seems that Bernie has quite a bit of support willing to go to Biden and I have a feeling it's the blue collar rust belt folks as opposed to progressives. If Pete drops out, Warren and Biden equally benefit. If Warren drops out, that definitely helps Bernie the most. Warren dropping out while Pete staying in would be Biden's toughest path. However, it seems unlikely for Warren to drop out over Pete since Warren has much more support nationwide (Pete's is more regional).

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/voters-second-choice-candidates-show-a-race-that-is-still-fluid/
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CNN figured out a way to keep audience reactions and dramatic crowd noises out of their debate


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CNN figured out a way to keep audience reactions and dramatic crowd noises out of their debate


https://i.imgur.com/5kLOWWn.png


they don't want any genuine reaction to relentlessly trying to get misleading soundbites (like 'i will raise middle class taxes'), while lobbing softballs at establishment shills like biden and buttigieg. trash network is trash...
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Jan 15 2020 07:58am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 15 2020 07:18am)
CNN figured out a way to keep audience reactions and dramatic crowd noises out of their debate


https://i.imgur.com/5kLOWWn.png


bottom middle looks like Steve Bannon lol
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Quote (thesnipa @ 15 Jan 2020 14:58)
bottom middle looks like Steve Bannon lol


ah yes, the 'disheveled drunk' look...
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