no, its just him and his fellow leftists, who live in a bubble



i always love it, when a foreigner pretends to know better than a local like you

This post was edited by ampoo on Aug 10 2018 03:01pm

do all this stuff to yourself and your family please, but not here.

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"Britain's wealthiest man Sir Jim Ratcliffe, one of the few businessmen backing Brexit leaves the UK to move to Monaco. So perhaps post Brexit Britain will not be the land of milk and honey as promised?"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/08/08/britains-wealthiest-man-sir-jim-ratcliffe-leaves-uk-move-monaco/

holy shit, my request to stay on topic really backfired massively. what a hilarious display of damaged egos and hurt butts...

be that as it may, 'people voted to leave and get a free trade deal' is just not backed by facts. their behaviour and the surveys after the referendum suggested that they knew very little about the consequences and likely outcomes of what they actually voted for.
to project your wishes into that with hindsight is just dishonest. fantasising about 'general accepted logics' without any facts to back that up doesn't give it any credibility either.
i agree on the point that it's the public's duty to keep themselves informed, but your own admission that they didn't do that properly just supports my point that it was NOT factored in on the day of the referendum...

kiss and make up? sorry if I hurt your feelings

Back on point, surely your quote of: “Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?” as proof that the government have a mandate to allow a no deal brexit to occur is hypocritical when considering it wasn't a legally binding referendum; and the only reason why the government followed through with the result was because of their promises? Your argument is simply not logically consistent (inb4 ad-hom personal attack butthurt dorothy).

continuation

while our government makes "deals" that literally affect zero migrants, merkels best friend macron has the french police send all migrants coming from spain back, the spanish government acknowledges that as enforcing european law
makes the stupidity coming out of germany even worse, merkel still wants to tell us that sending people back is "illegal"
kinda weird isnt it, denmark does it, italy, france, hungary among others, but we cant?

the secretary of the basque police union reports a state of anarchy at the border and the french are sending entire busses back over the border

thats what happens, when you have socialist no border activists in your government my dear spaniards

p.s: thanks macron

german source: https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article180985048/Frankreich-Spanische-Polizei-beklagt-Anarchie-an-der-Grenze-wegen-Zurueckweisungen.html

This post was edited by ampoo on Aug 11 2018 09:48am

that's 100% a straw man though. i did not even touch the legal nature of the referendum or the government's mandate as a result of it.
i posted the referendum question as a reply to your claim that the 'people voted to leave and get a free trade deal' to remind you that people did NOT - they simply voted to leave. you admitted yourself that most were not informed enough to realise what that might entail or not.

so when you talk about (logical) consistency, you might want to stop moving the goal post with each reply. i know it might be hard for you to admit what you inadvertently already did, but that won't change the facts. it's not even that i disagree with your point about the no-deal being a shitty solution (for both sides) and that it probably wasn't even a seriously considered outcome by ANY party at the time of the referendum...

quit it with the personal attacks, bud!

Seriously though, sorry if I strawmanned you, however my point was that getting a deal with the EU wasn't a promise to the electorate, it was an assumed outcome. As a result, it was implicit in the referendum and taking a literal view of what was asked is in my view overly simplistic.

repeating same things is useless even for you
any good idea to boost the -locals- birthrate ? It's more tricky than you think because it has to impact locals and not others.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Aug 11 2018 01:26pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/11/more-than-100-pro-leave-constituencies-switch-to-remain

again, i oppose a new referendum (unlike farage, who publicly stated that a close loss for leave would mean 'unfinished business and a possible 2nd referendum) - just to inb4 the 'this is not how democracy works' pivots.
i'm just trying to point out that all the negotiations, all the struggle to find a somewhat acceptable solution, and all the economic pain this will cause, is happening for what is actually a minority of brits, many of which did not even have much of an idea what their vote could mean...

as always, one should look at who funded a study.
in the guardian article you linked, it is found at the bottom right of the following graphic:

https://interactive.guim.co.uk/uploader/embed/2018/08/voters-swing-to-remain-charts-zip/giv-39026FUFjn05L0zB/

"funded by Best for Britain/Hope not Hate"

'Best for Britain' is a Soros-backed anti-Brexit campaign:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_for_Britain

and 'Hope not Hate' is an antifascist advocacy group founded by Nick Lowles, the publisher of antifa-magazine 'searchlight'. it is staunchly anti-UKIP and, surprise surprise, has strong ties to Soros' Open Society Foundation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope_not_Hate

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so these two groups have sponsored a study conducted by an obscure and relatively young market research group who bases its findings on yougov-data. moreover, the survey data on which their study is based was gathered in June and July, and thus contains data about the public opinion before and after the reveal of the Chequers plan. in particular, it contains data from the weeks before this plan was revealed, the weeks during which the government and the brexit process looked the most chaotic and ill-fated.

All in all, I'd take these findings with some heavy grains of salt....