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Oct 23 2022 06:54pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Oct 24 2022 03:53am)
Russia was not "set to take deals". I think you're smarter than that. Their position the entire time has been "these are my terms, and if you agree to them we have a deal".

The "war" mostly started in 2014 when an election happened and Russia's puppet was ousted.

Yeah there's bad things on both sides, but let's be clear, this is like 80/20 against Russia. They've been the much greater and more obvious aggressor for basically the entire time after they stopped being the soviet union.


Like iraq, syria, libya, yemen, somalia, afghanistan?
Funny shit tho


also im pretty sure that "puppet" was democratically elected, and was ousted violently by the north which didn't vote for him in the first place.

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Like iraq, syria, libya, yemen, somalia, afghanistan?
Funny shit tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEg6Ht2pNH0

also im pretty sure that "puppet" was democratically elected, and was ousted violently by the north which didn't vote for him in the first place.


We are talking about Russia and Ukraine. Yeah the USA has done a lot of bad shit. Helping Ukraine resist Russia is not one of them.
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Oct 23 2022 06:59pm
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We are talking about Russia and Ukraine. Yeah the USA has done a lot of bad shit. Helping Ukraine resist Russia is not one of them.


If US is allowed to destroy nations 11.000km away without consequence, at the very least Russia is allowed to destroy at least one nation 1km away to protect its border, fair right?

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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Oct 23 2022 07:53pm)
Russia was not "set to take deals". I think you're smarter than that. Their position the entire time has been "these are my terms, and if you agree to them we have a deal".

The "war" mostly started in 2014 when an election happened and Russia's puppet was ousted.

Yeah there's bad things on both sides, but let's be clear, this is like 80/20 against Russia. They've been the much greater and more obvious aggressor for basically the entire time after they stopped being the soviet union.


RU have had a few positions both prior to the war in regards to provocation and now new one after their war spend/effort.

Here is a hot take from 2014 https://www.cc.com/video/8067fc/the-colbert-report-crisis-in-ukraine-gideon-rose

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If US is allowed to destroy nations 11.000km away without consequence, at the very least Russia is allowed to destroy at least one nation 1km away to protect its border, fair right?


Nope, dont care about what US did 20 or 30 years ago. Russia invaded is doing war crimes, and is losing. End of story.

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Nope, dont care about what US did 30 20 years ago. Russia is losing. End of story.


What about 10, 5 or 1 year ago? Or currently? Kek. Why is it people have such difficulty at being honest?
There is nothing wrong with saying: I support Us/west hegemony no matter how many humans they have killed and nations they will continue to destroy for their interests. US could drop 500 nukes on random countries around the world tomorrow and you wouldn't bat an eye, yet your still crying about war crimes.

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Russia is losing. End of story.

A bit premature tho? Doesn't seem like it is over really. Russia hasn't started using their 300k troops, and who knows how many more waves there will be.

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What about 10, 5 or 1 year ago? Or currently? Kek. Why is it people have such difficulty at being honest?
There is nothing wrong with saying: I support Us/west hegemony no matter how many humans they have killed and nations they will continue to destroy for their interests. US could drop 500 nukes on random countries around the world tomorrow and you wouldn't bat an eye, yet your still crying about war crimes.
A bit premature tho? Doesn't seem like it is over really. Russia hasn't started using their 300k troops, and who knows how many more waves there will be.


This is empty deflection. Real threat is China, Iran, Russia, and their fuckoff lackeys.
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Oct 23 2022 09:23pm
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If US is allowed to destroy nations 11.000km away without consequence, at the very least Russia is allowed to destroy at least one nation 1km away to protect its border, fair right?


No one allows the United States anything, it's a great power. When countries don't like what the US is doing, there's only so much they can do about it. Russia is a weak country that's struggling to conquer a much smaller, very poor neighbor, and nobody likes it. No one needs to accept what they're doing.
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Quote (Meanwhile @ Oct 24 2022 06:20am)
This is empty deflection. Real threat is China, Iran, Russia, and their fuckoff lackeys.


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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 24 2022 06:25am)
Wrong. It is not NATO which has pushed toward Russia, it is Russia's smaller neighbors in Eastern Europe which desperately waited and chomped at the bits to finally get under NATO's protective umbrella. They voluntarily and at the first possible opportunity joined NATO, they didn't need convincing or lobbying. The West didn't turn those Eastern European nations against Russia... Russia did that all by themselves by bullying, dominating and abusing these smaller countries for 80+ years!


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Quote (bogie160 @ Oct 24 2022 06:23am)
No one allows the United States anything, it's a great power. When countries don't like what the US is doing, there's only so much they can do about it. Russia is a weak country that's struggling to conquer a much smaller, very poor neighbor, and nobody likes it. No one needs to accept what they're doing.


Rational comment, :hail: , if only everyone else could see things sort of objectively

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Nato has pushed so far that NATO has literally arrived at their doorstep in 2/4 places already (west/north). Yet your saying russia is trying to absorb its neighbours and is going westward.


Wrong. It is not NATO which has pushed toward Russia, it is Russia's smaller neighbors in Eastern Europe which desperately waited and chomped at the bits to finally get under NATO's protective umbrella. They voluntarily and at the first possible opportunity joined NATO, they didn't need convincing or lobbying. The West didn't turn those Eastern European nations against Russia... Russia did that all by themselves by bullying, dominating and abusing these smaller countries for 80+ years!
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