The system being a code word for white people.

stay out of black communities, they have they biggest whyte supremacy problem.

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I would be interested to see stats on how many police shootings occur when a suspect follows police orders

The argument seems to be that not complying and doing anything to escape is warranted because of the amount of police killings but whenever I see videos like this they are usually the result of people thinking they can discuss their arrest and physically resist it until they feel the police have made their case appropriately.

The cops in this case went way over the line in a few places in the video, and they should be fired and charged IMO, but the guy who died did a lot of stupid things that contributed to it happening I would say, which will be ignored and treated as if this was just the cops plan that night or something.

The result will probably just a be a bunch of changes that don't reflect the needs of policing in the area but feel good to people who think police are the cause of all woe in society.

This wouldn't be a meaningful thing to quantify for several reasons.


When you watch these videos the most common theme is police giving contradictory orders. Freddie Gray is the easiest example. Back to back he was given the order to not move his hands, and to show his ID. Then when he went to get his ID the officer shot him. So the idea that we can cleanly separate these things is silly.

Another is that just because an officer gives you orders doesn't mean not is a death sentence. If an officer asks for my ID and I refuse, that does not mean the officer gets to shoot me. It is still murder if he does.

And then there's the issue that police will virtually always just lie about the state of the interaction. You can be totally complying and still get shot, and then when the officer writes up his report you were resisting. Separating these things out is basically impossible because police lie literally every time one of these things comes up.



So even if we did get a good answer to this question it wouldn't bring anything valuable to the table.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Jan 29 2023 11:43am

I disagree, I think it would add valuable context to the discussion of how people and the police interact, though I'll admit it doesn't add anything to the discussion of why police are evil or why we don't need them.

If Tyre had of gotten on his stomach with his hands behind his back do you think this would have ended the same way? Maybe it would have, maybe these cops were just intent on murdering someone that night, but from the video I saw that is not the conclusion I came to.

I saw a person who resisted verbally and physically from the second the police pulled him out of the car, who then managed to escape, run down the road, get caught again and still not stop resisting. This doesn't excuse the polices behavior, there is no call to kick someone in the face, or beat them on the ground with a baton, but to act like it was a one sided affair is a little blind IMO, the cops got increasingly frustrated that he wouldn't comply and tried to beat him into compliance, that is wrong and they should be charged and fired for doing so but it wasn't some random attack.

That guy is never late to profit off of a tragedy

If the police will beat you to death doesn't that incentivize people to try to get away from the police? Like, if a gang is known for murdering people stops you on the street, you should flee. At that point the police become just another criminal organization.

Once you acknowledge that this was absolutely not something out of the ordinary, that seems to become the inevitable conclusion. Those police had done this before. How easily they did it and how they started getting their story straight shows that pretty clearly this wasn't their first rodeo. With that context, Tyre's actions not only become reasonable, they become the optimal solution to a situation where a gang might just literally murder you.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Jan 29 2023 12:23pm

It certainly does incentivize you to run, but there seems to me to be a connection between the running and killing, which is why I think that is a particularly dangerous connection to make.

I think your chances of surviving an encounter with the police go up drastically when you comply as opposed to saying "I'll take my chances running/resisting". This isn't supporting the police as they are, I have a lot of problems with them, but I think people need to be smarter when dealing with them, for their own safety, not for the cops benefit.