5 times, and his criminal activity clearly never ended, he died with multiple drugs In his system, one of which was the one he did most of his jail time over.
I am not going to weep over this man being off the streets.
I hope the officers get 20 years.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Jun 6 2020 05:19pm

His criminal history doesnt make his death any less objectionable, but it does make the life he led prior to his death more objectionable.

So when I wrote about "a more sympathetic victim", I didnt mean this in the sense of "more sympathetic in the role of the victim", I mean it in the sense of "victim who happens to be a more sympathetic person". I'll admit that this wording from my 6:54 post was sloppy, misleading and suboptimal.




Other than that, I feel like this discussion has gone full circle and we're back to square one. I appreciate the input from all you guys, but we're not gonna come to an agreement. I made my point, and now I'm out.

I generally dont care about people doing drugs, so I dont really care about that. When I see a black guy in the 90s going to jail for cocaine over and over I see abuse by the system.

in what sense though
If we had a scale between "Adolf Hitler" and "Innocent 12 year old girl" and they both got killed by unprovoked police brutality in identical circumstances, would both their deaths be equally objectionable?
I have a lot harder time caring when bad things happen to bad people, even if it was just bad luck and could have been anyone's fate in the same situation.
And George Floyd's criminal history wouldn't make him deserve to die, its not death penalty levels of crime, but eh, if I had to rank people from top to bottom he'd be in the bottom 0.1%
Now he's a martyr

True, it's likely that if drugs use was decriminalized he would never have robbed anyone.

I think we must distinguish between a death being regrettable and a death being objectionable.

The police murdering an unarmed person who was completely under control and not harming anyone is always equally abhorrent, no matter if it's Hitler or the innocent girl. However, the death of the girl would of course be far more regrettable.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jun 6 2020 05:31pm

Nah if it was Hitler I'd help.

I was expecting honesty, my bad.

Exactly this. "Glorification" is the wrong word to use, because that insinuates that it was a good thing another person was murdered by the police. A martyr? Perhaps, but it was definitely not a choice.

For some reason, people are turning this into word games and what-about-isms for reasons of mostly mental masturbation. (You know who you are.)

odd premise to me, since I hadn't heard anyone holding Floyd up as any sort of of symbol of citizenship. Off the top of my head, I can't recall any particular instance of someone not outright acknowledging that he was a criminal. Perhaps limiting myself to online reading keeps me out of the loop of that particular narrative.