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Oct 19 2022 06:21pm
Quote (Lvivz @ Oct 19 2022 05:16pm)
You are retarded lol seek shock therapy asap

wE aRe LiGhT mAsKiNG aGaInSt CrUiSe MiSsIlEs!!!
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Quote (kusotarre1 @ Oct 20 2022 03:21am)
wE aRe LiGhT mAsKiNG aGaInSt CrUiSe MiSsIlEs!!!


OmG I mAkE 30 rubles PeR comment :rofl: how fucking sad is your life, and how dumb are you that you take a picture of a country in light masking regime since March, compare it to one prior to war. :lol:

YoU aRe a Victim of watered down russian propaganda for old orcs in Russia who need to see "progress" as they lick their wounds reeling from what happened in Kharkiv where we decimated thousands of your Russian boys xD

Kherson next, just hope not as many pows will be taken, sick of this "we didn't know, we didn't have any choice" shit
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Quote (Lvivz @ Oct 19 2022 04:41pm)
yes Ukraine has had light masking regime from 11pm-5am since March, you just figured it out?

Palasan/Lvivz and lying about every single damned thing - name a better combo.

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Oct 19 2022 07:13pm
Quote (kusotarre1 @ Oct 19 2022 08:03pm)
Palasan/Lvivz and lying about every single damned thing - name a better combo.

https://i.imgur.com/YFf49oN.png


Prewar vs wartime night lights?

It was dark on February 25th: https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2022/03/world/ukraine-satellite-images/
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Quote (kusotarre1 @ Oct 20 2022 04:03am)
Palasan/Lvivz and lying about every single damned thing - name a better combo.

https://i.imgur.com/YFf49oN.png


You already posted that, and made yourself look like a fool. ^^ carry on tinfoil enthusiast

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Quote (kusotarre1 @ Oct 19 2022 01:52am)
You're probably right, I do stand by the statement that America has virtually zero experience with a serious enemy, though, which is how this all started.


You mean the first gulf war when America was able to slowly over the course of a year build up a huge force right on Iraq's border, fighting against AA tech decades out of date, an enemy without GPS?

That one?

lol


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Oct 19 2022 07:43pm
Some thoughts on drones.

I think we may see the evolution of warfare in the coming years. Cheap disposable drones that can travel hundreds of miles and kamikaze themselves into targets are just too useful.

Quick comparison.

Kalibr cruise missile cost = 5mm per wiki
Shahed 136 =20k per

That means you can fire off 250 drones for the cost of one cruise missile. Let's say 80% of them are shot down by air defenses. That still means 50 drones reaching their targets. You could literally have a team of nerds that played video games all of their life in a room pilot 250 of these per raid with no human causalities inflicting tons of damage every day, given you have the supply of them.

Also effective decoys and loitering munitions. China won't be storming the beaches like Normandy, they'll be sending endless swarms of these things at Taiwan when/if that war comes.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Oct 19 2022 07:48pm
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Oct 19 2022 08:12pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 19 2022 08:43pm)
Some thoughts on drones.

I think we may see the evolution of warfare in the coming years. Cheap disposable drones that can travel hundreds of miles and kamikaze themselves into targets are just too useful.

Quick comparison.

Kalibr cruise missile cost = 5mm per wiki
Shahed 136 =20k per

That means you can fire off 250 drones for the cost of one cruise missile. Let's say 80% of them are shot down by air defenses. That still means 50 drones reaching their targets. You could literally have a team of nerds that played video games all of their life in a room pilot 250 of these per raid with no human causalities inflicting tons of damage every day, given you have the supply of them.

Also effective decoys and loitering munitions. China won't be storming the beaches like Normandy, they'll be sending endless swarms of these things at Taiwan when/if that war comes.


And your just talking radio operated drone tech. Eventually they won't even need human operator and won't be vulnerable to radio jams given some base neural net and AI algorithms to fallback on when jammed. Could have autonomous kamikaze drones going all over the planet. Some can perch and charge now., or water drones etc.

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Prewar vs wartime night lights?

It was dark on February 25th: https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2022/03/world/ukraine-satellite-images/

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/150002/tracking-night-lights-in-ukraine

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After a significant reduction of lights in March, power has slowly been restored and regular human activity has appeared to pick up in several parts of the country, particularly around the capital.

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“In the first few months of the war, electricity and basic services were attacked in several major cities,” said Stokes. “As the war continued into May, we saw a shift—some continued loss of lights in eastern Ukraine and some recovery in the western part of Ukraine. The Black Marble HD images show recovery in the outskirts of Kyiv, in particular, as residents returned to the capital city.”

Or as Lvivz says "light masking."

Lets be real here. Ukraine has rolling blackouts that it didn't have two weeks ago, and you're arguing that anything we see in terms of diminished light output is actually part of a strategy to hide Ukrainian towns from the night sky. A night sky that is 1) devoid of aircraft because this isn't 1942 and even 30 year old AA systems are very effective, 2) full of spy satellites that see everything, and 3) munitions that don't have cameras on them and are guided by GPS satellites.

And not only are people coming here to argue that 'actually it was dark before, you've been pwned', the same people who are making this argument were, just two days ago, arguing nearly the exact opposite case by railing against the intentional destruction of power plants and substations as a ruthless crime against humanity.

Everyone is insane and getting more insane.

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I think we may see the evolution of warfare in the coming years. Cheap disposable drones that can travel hundreds of miles and kamikaze themselves into targets are just too useful.

It's also the end of maneuver warfare. Both sides know where each others armies are all the time, there are no dramatic flanking maneuvers or hidden reserves or anything. Two sides just lob shit at each other until one side inflicts more damage and advances, or brings an overwhelming force the enemy is fully aware of and chases after them as they retreat.

It's also the end of airpower, I think. The F-35 program cost like half a trillion dollars and I seriously doubt we'll ever see them deployed against an enemy that warrants their capabilities.

This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Oct 19 2022 08:20pm
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Quote (kusotarre1 @ 20 Oct 2022 02:02)
Palasan/Lvivz and lying about every single damned thing - name a better combo.

https://i.imgur.com/YFf49oN.png

Why would Ukraine have been under a light masking regime on Feburary 3rd? :rofl:


Quote (ofthevoid @ 20 Oct 2022 02:13)
Russia announced martial law today so i'm assuming movement in those regions is restricted now to some extent. I'm also thinking movement in active war zones, especially at the front is restricted for security reasons and that's on both sides. I've heard both Ukrainians and Russians vetting civilians, which makes sense in time of war because there's spies, you also don't want civilians getting in the way or compromising operations.

But I try to once again apply some common sense to this. You can't force millions of civilians nowadays to go somewhere against their will. It's just too big of a task and really what's the point? What's the point for Russia to forcefully ship people to Russia. More mouths to feed, more housing, more social services, more healthcare needs in a country that I'm sure life is hard as it is. If those people don't want to be there you wont keep them there for long, just too much effort for no gain really.

I watched a short documentary awhile back, after Mariupol was taken. Russia moved a bunch of those people to various regions in Russia. This one lady and her daughter basically wanted to go west as she had some family in Europe. She basically had Russian civilian volunteers helping her get paperwork together to get into Lithuania and the guy literally id'd himself on camera and was talking openly about it, which tells me really that Russia isn't cracking down on those people wanting to go to different places. He said he's helped dozens of people do this already.

So is Russia restricting people in Kherson to going to an active front (there was large scale battles in Kherson direction today) to try to cross into Ukrainian held territory? Probably yeah, at least i'd think so now but like I said, i'm almost certain that many people in both currently held Russian and Ukrainian territories had more than one chance to go in which ever direction.

Fair points. Just some quick remark on the bolded part: Russia has never really recovered from the death toll it suffered throughout the Stalin era, particularly during WW2. The country is dangerously underpopulated, and has been for decades. The plummeting birth rates during the post-Soviet depression in the 90s have further exacerbated Russia's demographic struggles. Since the country is autarkic on food, the benefit of "restocking" its population should outweigh the extra resources it would require to host them.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 19 2022 08:22pm
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