i'd amend that to:

"just not be trump, or a clinton, and they'll vote for you"

good catch

Damn. Touche

2020 reality is 17 HRC's and a Trump.


/e All though none of the 2020 Dem selection are even as good as HRC was.

This post was edited by Ghot on Dec 6 2019 04:20pm

true, and at the same time, Trump is still fighting against the (political/ideological) status quo. paradox, isnt it?




meh, I dont know....
Imho, you're putting a little too much weight on stylistic or superficial aspects, and a bit too little weight on policy issues and substance.
I'm not an expert on the American psyche, perhaps the alpha-posturing really was the key to Trump's success in 2016. but I doubt it.
I still think my explanation that "Trump promised them the change on immigration and free trade that they had been longing for" is more convincing.

im just gauging policy importance based on Democrat messaging in debates and elsewhere. for ever policy proposal in truth, there's 5 empty platitudes of problem we need to fix without solutions provided ("we need to pay teachers more", etc), and 10 mentions of Orange man bad.

they're the ones who spend millions on focus groups, this seems to be their winning strategy. they're just bad at it. "why wont you join me in calling to ban trump from twitter", like lmao, wut.

ya, i noticed you guys were talking from a past perspective. i just wanted to add my pennies in relating.

there has been lengths of wall added. we don't have a full border-to-border wall though if that's what you mean.
the Durham investigation is a criminal investigation now. i'm not certain it will extend to Hilary as i first thought, but i'm also not so sure it won't yet.

the worst thing about obamacare was the individual mandate. (which was trumps specific campaign promise to remove. and did)
this should be the first year i get my taxes without obama fining me for not having healthcare.

half of a wall is like trying to eat soup out of half a bowl.

but valid point on the mandate.

I really wouldnt go by the priorities from their debates. They're still in primary season and have to appeal to their own base, which obviously is different from their eventual strategy for the general election campaign.
And yeah, as you said, they're just bad at it, lol.

a bit off that the overwhelming appeal to the base is "trump is a bastard man", i dont see that not bleeding into general heavily once trump is the only opponent.

Whipping Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador into cooperating with asylum seekers and taking back deported persons is Trump's biggest success on immigration. That's a really big change and far outweighs the couple of miles of wall that he got funded.

https://www.vox.com/2019/9/26/20870768/trump-agreement-honduras-guatemala-el-salvador-explained