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Oct 18 2022 04:58pm
Quote (LoverManGenius @ Oct 18 2022 05:29pm)
I'm not saying that they would immediately escalate to nukes, but just that there are many types of these missiles that could quite easily wipe the entire surface of a carrier clean - even if it miraculously survived.

You really think that any sort of object traveling at Mach 15+ wouldn't just immediately blast every object parked on top of a carrier into the sea? Just think about the physics of that impact.


They likely to hit it in the side, and to do real damage, you need to hit at or below the water line. Hitting a carrier in the side isn't going to cause catastrophic water intake unless it hits a fuel tank. Hitting it in the flight deck is going to stop flight operations.
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Quote (Santara @ Oct 18 2022 04:58pm)
They likely to hit it in the side, and to do real damage, you need to hit at or below the water line. Hitting a carrier in the side isn't going to cause catastrophic water intake unless it hits a fuel tank. Hitting it in the flight deck is going to stop flight operations.


I'd just be impressed enough to see a carrier not get snapped in half by one of those things. Do we have any kind of test footage at all? I haven't been able to find it.
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Oct 18 2022 05:47pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Oct 19 2022 01:23am)
You realise Iraq had the fourth largest army in the world and it was decimated in days during the first gulf war?
U.S vs China wouldn't even be close. It won't even be close for at least 50 years.


Terrible example. Iraqis are by default opportunistic people, divided by religious/sectarian/tribal lines, and under saddam neither the north nor the south were really willing to die for saddam, or fight in a harsh prolonged environment. Essentially 75-80% of the population/army was partly or competely demotivated before the fight even broke out, and with the nature of their psychological opportunism it meant that the fighting was reduced running and lowering death-risk. This essentially lead to a mass-break-down of the army, which was a paper tiger really.

Whenever people bring up desert storm 1/2, to showcase American armed forces capabilities, you know they don't have any idea what they are talking about.

It took you guys 2 months to beat some guys holed up in fallujah with only ak'47s, still taking casualties whilst bombarding every standing building and destroying 70% of the city. There is a big difference between fighting someone who actually fights back. If you actually went up against an army, like chinas which is incredibly motivated, you would have deaths in the 10's of millions before even coming close to Beijing. Monkey retards with inflated egos.

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Quote (LoverManGenius @ 19 Oct 2022 00:49)
Not even. I don't think any of us are taking this personally - the question of whether or not these new missiles could render America's navy obsolete is an interesting one and I'm liking talking about it.


"The US military could take on half the world at the same time and come out victorious without breaking a sweat."
"China has already won this war before it even happened, any US fleet coming within 4000 miles of its coast would get annihilated."

The extremes and the jingoism are running rampant. I agree that the degree to which China would be able to stave off US power projection near its coasts is an interesting question, but I seriously doubt that any of us can form an informed opinion on it.



One thing seems quite obvious to me though: if China was preparing a large amphibian invasion of Taiwan, the US carrier fleet could position itself on the south eastern side of Taiwan and basically use the island itself as a gigantic shield which covers it from Chinese anti-ship missiles.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 19 2022 02:51am)
"The US military could take on half the world at the same time and come out victorious without breaking a sweat."
"China has already won this war before it even happened, any US fleet coming within 4000 miles of its coast would get annihilated."

The extremes and the jingoism are running rampant. I agree that the degree to which China would be able to stave off US power projection near its coasts is an interesting question, but I seriously doubt that any of us can form an informed opinion on it.



One thing seems quite obvious to me though: if China was preparing a large amphibian invasion of Taiwan, the US carrier fleet could position itself on the south eastern side of Taiwan and basically use the island itself as a gigantic shield which covers it from Chinese anti-ship missiles.


Ships are basicically dead weight against missiles, they can easily be overwhelmed and blown to a million pieces. Super useful for projecting power far away, especially against weak foes, but in real combat, a couple of submarines would sink every carrier the US has, or cheap drone-wave combined with missiles..

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Quote (kusotarre1 @ Oct 19 2022 12:44am)
You're being silly. It's the US that has a nuclear first strike doctrine with extremely vague and permissive "rules" for use, and who has made a big show of strapping tactical nukes to cruise missiles. Not China.

China will not be using nuclear weapons unless it is nuked first.


To take away your fears guys. Nuclear war will not end the world. A 10 miles radius a nuke can destroy is not a problem for our great planet. Don't believe for a second the drama you hear and see about nukes on japan years ago.

I was afraid as well but now I see the reality and that is even if all the nukes were fired the planet has, the earth would survive and so would a vast majority of mankind.
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Quote (Humbletrader @ Oct 19 2022 02:55am)
To take away your fears guys. Nuclear war will not end the world. A 10 miles radius a nuke can destroy is not a problem for our great planet. Don't believe for a second the drama you hear and see about nukes on japan years ago.

I was afraid as well but now I see the reality and that is even if all the nukes were fired the planet has, the earth would survive and so would a vast majority of mankind.


you would have billions of deaths, current nukes are nothing like the ones dropped on japan

what are you on about?
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Quote (ownyaah @ Oct 19 2022 01:56am)
you would have billions of deaths, current nukes are nothing like the ones dropped on japan

what are you on about?


The megaton destructive power alone is what I was refering to not the radiatio n itself. Even if all the weapons blow up, nothing comes even close to the astroid that wiped out the dinosaurs.

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The megaton destructive powe alone is what I was refering to not the radiatio n itself. Even if all the weapons blow up, nothing comes even close to the astroid that wiped out the dinosaurs.


well of course nothing compares to that, it literally wiped out something like 99.999% of all biomass, because of the dust kick up and change in atmosphere mostly tho

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Quote (ownyaah @ Oct 19 2022 01:59am)
well of course nothing compares to that, it literally wiped out something like 99.999% of all biomass, because of the dust kick up and change in atmosphere mostly tho


The first AI Androids came to life this year. Soon it will be machines vs men. Terminator :

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