As I understand it, there are multiple wargame scenarios in which the US wins in a fight over Taiwan.



The US absolutely does not have the means to successfully attack China. Same for the converse.

This post was edited by Santara on Oct 18 2022 03:06pm

Exactly what I mean about American overconfidence and mediocrity of insight, and how it creates an ideological environment where America is driven towards conflicts it cannot win.

The most astounding thing about comments like this is that the people in the very top of the American political establishment, despite certainly being aware of for example how much tonnage of destroyers and cruisers China drops into the ocean each year versus how much American tonnage has declined over the past thirty, they still have this ridiculous belief in American supremacy.


For various hilarious definitions of "winning", sure.

Take this one: https://www.defensenews.com/training-sim/2021/04/12/a-us-air-force-war-game-shows-what-the-service-needs-to-hold-off-or-win-against-china-in-2030/

After admitting previous ones were failures, this one depends on America having weapons that don't exist yet, China not having weapons we know they already have, and it still ends with "catastrophic losses" on both sides.

A more realistic American war plan was discussed last week: https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/10/12/if-china-invades-taiwan-some-us-officials-want-to-bomb-tsmc

In this one, the first thing America bombs is Taiwan, then it runs away and, no doubt, convinces the world it was a Chinese DF-17.

This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Oct 18 2022 03:32pm

War between the USA and China auto escalates into nuclear war and total destruction for everybody via bombs that are literally 10,000 times stronger than the ones used on Hiroshima.


Anyone debating who would "win" is stupid.

This is a wild exaggeration. Let's not even get into how much of the Pentagon budget is spent on anything but combat capabilities - the US military is only supreme in the theatre of defending the US mainland, protecting the world's sea trade lanes, and extreme flexibility and versatility of power projection to any part of the globe. However, the scope of that power projection is most certainly not anywhere close to what you claim. We could definitely stop an invasion of Taiwan if China was actually stupid enough to send transport ships across the Taiwan Strait, but to actually push into China and hold ground would be next to impossible.

But at least they SPENT the 700 Billion!

This post was edited by LoverManGenius on Oct 18 2022 03:28pm

We could drop our tonnage in half and China would still be behind.

We have 11 aircraft carriers and 20 total carriers. China has 2 aircraft carriers and 3 total carriers.

In terms of technological power, the United States is an order of magnitude ahead of literally any other single country. It's not even close.

I'm not even worried about America's ability to mass produce weapons - that we can do.

I'm terrified that our population now has a sub 95 average IQ and is 77% obese. That reason alone is why America is doomed to lose any meaningful conflict in the future - conscript who?

Pushing China and holding ground would be incredibly easy. Our capability to project air power is as strong as the rest of the world combined, and that's what ultimately matters when it comes to taking and maintaining ground.

Carriers are worthless. I'm pretty sure China built some only because they're 'prestige' objects.


You actually can't. It's why Ukraine has been downgraded from receiving HIMARS to receiving promises of future production of HIMARS.


This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Oct 18 2022 03:34pm

Do you have brain damage?

America's carriers would be getting sunk by missiles they can't even see.

This post was edited by LoverManGenius on Oct 18 2022 03:34pm