Quote (Skinned @ Mar 11 2022 01:30pm)

Not actually. They did trade away their freedom for security many years ago and have become complacent in the face of authoritarianism due to increasing middle class creature comforts, and now reaping the results of that choice.

We do the same thing here, trading our freedom for comfort, to less of a degree. I can post memes, say what I want, drive anywhere in the US that isn't owned by one of our oligarchs, etc.

It is hypocritical to be up in arms about Ukrainian and not Palestine, Northern Ireland, Basque Spain, Syria & Iraq, Afghanistan. America enslaved hundreds of thousands of citizens to fight in Vietnam as conscripts.

But this is happening in the here and now, which is what I am concerned with. I would like a complete ceasefire. I think Ukraine should consider just cutting off the independent regions and calling them a loss and they're probably cooled on NATO by now since they aren't helping but could help them and are kind of enabling Russia to just commit war crimes across their country. All the blue and yellow flags on social media aren't changing that.



Putin squashed democracy on his rise to power. Russia is not a democracy.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Mar 11 2022 01:31pm)

Russians failed hard to have a working democracy, in several elections, for more 3 decades.
They will have to eat cow dung sandwiches: it's not hate but a fatality. (Thus they will get help from Pakis)
Only real victimes here are Ukrainians aka the nazis with a jew president and PM.

Quote (ferdia @ 11 Mar 2022 14:12)

I dont mind agreeing to disagree.

i dont understand what you are referring to re: what I quoted. i.e. "official... comments". you mean from facebook exec's on their policy position or something else?

Quote (fender @ Mar 11 2022 01:27pm)

i don't mind disagreeing if both sides present good faith arguments in an honest way and simply come to different conclusions / have different priorities. i don't think that was the case though, and i don't like it as a cop out.

Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 11 Mar 2022 14:23)

lets be real, most people dont give a fuck about the political system, if it serves their interest

they will accept a king, any kind of democratic system, dictatorship, whatever, if they can make a good living for themselves and their families

if i could choose between a monarchy that gives me low taxes and a free economy and the socialist sinkhole "democracy" in germany right now, that is only exploiting its citizens and treats them like property, i am gonna go with a new emperor every single time

on your second point: so far ukraine somehow does not even consider cutting their losses

they will never get these regions back and the people there dont want to be part of ukraine so what are we talking about here

sure, as selensky you want to keep a strong position as long as possible, but at some point a compromise will have to happen



what do you expect?

russia has never been a western style democracy in its entire existence, this stuff happens over generations

Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 11 Mar 2022 13:23)

What do you expect?
russia has never been a western style democracy in its entire existence, this stuff happens over generations

Quote (fender @ Mar 11 2022 01:30pm)

and literally no one is surprised.

now shut up, ampootin, we've had enough of you uncritically regurgitating russian propaganda here.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Mar 11 2022 01:34pm)

Eating shit will help each of them to reconsider their very own deep position; that voting for alpha war chief is just begging to get fucked.

Quote (ferdia @ 11 Mar 2022 14:30)

then we simply disagree. facebook allowing any hate speech on its platform is a slippery slope and it either knowingly or unknowingly endorses hate speech and hate crime everywhere, and this move by facebook is a headline which will be seen around the world, emboldening people to acts of aggression against innocents.