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Jan 13 2020 12:38pm
Quote (tagged4nothing @ Jan 11 2020 02:37pm)
i believe the only thing we have ever agreed on in any post, was Hilary being "establishment". let's see how Bernie's doing again.
here's the bill you're referring to, and Bernie Sander's did sponsor this bil.
https://teddeutch.house.gov/uploadedfiles/analysis_of_democracy_is_for_people_amendment.pdf


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Revolution

https://dailycaller.com/2020/01/09/bernie-sanders-our-revolution/



https://www.sanders.senate.gov/legislation/issue/campaign-finance



he is guilty of everything he speaks against. i only see the 1 bill he voted on so far, and he is guilty of what that bill was trying to prevent "after" signing it.


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So he should play the game that is to make the world a better place when he is able to do so?

The only thing lacking here is your object permanence lol.

i'm not exactly sure what you mean here.

Bernie sponsors a bill that would prevent some "dark money" financing. he loses the presidential nomination and immediately sets up his own dark money establishment. (3 years after sponsor if i read correctly)
we are now 3 years even further in the future and he's relying on dark money to bitch about other runners using dark money.

if this was an "actual" main policy issue, why is he not concerned that he's one of the problems?

Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 13 2020 01:38pm)

am i really the only one that sees this as rather hypocritical?

do liberals only have issues with conservatives using these dark money schemes then?
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Jan 14 2020 09:01am
Quote (tagged4nothing @ Jan 14 2020 09:56am)
i'm not exactly sure what you mean here.

Bernie sponsors a bill that would prevent some "dark money" financing. he loses the presidential nomination and immediately sets up his own dark money establishment. (3 years after sponsor if i read correctly)
we are now 3 years even further in the future and he's relying on dark money to bitch about other runners using dark money.

if this was an "actual" main policy issue, why is he not concerned that he's one of the problems?


am i really the only one that sees this as rather hypocritical?

do liberals only have issues with conservatives using these dark money schemes then?


The problem is the current law. Bernie Sanders isn't the current law. He has to obey the laws. If he plays the game and wins by the laws he will try to change the laws to be more equitable.

The fact is: the world itself is the case. Bernie Sanders just can't use an election strategy from a world he wishes he lived in rather than the one he actually lives in.
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Jan 14 2020 09:10am
Quote (tagged4nothing @ Jan 14 2020 08:56am)
i'm not exactly sure what you mean here.

Bernie sponsors a bill that would prevent some "dark money" financing. he loses the presidential nomination and immediately sets up his own dark money establishment. (3 years after sponsor if i read correctly)
we are now 3 years even further in the future and he's relying on dark money to bitch about other runners using dark money.

if this was an "actual" main policy issue, why is he not concerned that he's one of the problems?


am i really the only one that sees this as rather hypocritical?

do liberals only have issues with conservatives using these dark money schemes then?


The Conservatives using the dark money schemes aren't trying to change the system. Sometimes you have to work within the system to change it. We live in the real world where everything doesnt bend to your idea of fair.
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Jan 14 2020 09:13am
Quote (Skinned @ Jan 14 2020 10:01am)
The problem is the current law. Bernie Sanders isn't the current law. He has to obey the laws. If he plays the game and wins by the laws he will try to change the laws to be more equitable.

The fact is: the world itself is the case. Bernie Sanders just can't use an election strategy from a world he wishes he lived in rather than the one he actually lives in.


Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 14 2020 10:10am)
The Conservatives using the dark money schemes aren't trying to change the system. Sometimes you have to work within the system to change it. We live in the real world where everything doesnt bend to your idea of fair.

why do you 2 believe he'll change this system if he's relying on the money and campaign help? isn't that the whole point of "not" relying on dark money?
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Jan 14 2020 09:29am
Quote (tagged4nothing @ Jan 14 2020 10:13am)
why do you 2 believe he'll change this system if he's relying on the money and campaign help? isn't that the whole point of "not" relying on dark money?


Well consider your chances of "winning" are hurt badly by not following the current system.... How do you expect people to actually win so they can finally try and change said system...

Politicians lie obviously, but ultimately, at least he is "claiming" he wants to change the system.

Is that hard to grasp? it's kind of obvious...
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Jan 14 2020 09:42am
Quote (tagged4nothing @ Jan 14 2020 09:13am)
why do you 2 believe he'll change this system if he's relying on the money and campaign help? isn't that the whole point of "not" relying on dark money?


Bernie has a pretty baller record. He might not have the political will to get it done but I dont see a reason to doubt he wont give a good faith effort.
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Jan 14 2020 09:43am
Quote (iBruno @ Jan 14 2020 10:29am)
Well consider your chances of "winning" are hurt badly by not following the current system.... How do you expect people to actually win so they can finally try and change said system...

Politicians lie obviously, but ultimately, at least he is "claiming" he wants to change the system.

Is that hard to grasp? it's kind of obvious...

Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 14 2020 10:42am)
Bernie has a pretty baller record. He might not have the political will to get it done but I dont see a reason to doubt he wont give a good faith effort.

"dark money" leaves candidates compromised. is this not the argument of using dark money?

i have to leave in a few minutes, but i'll be back later today.
i'm genuinely curious about people's perspective on this.

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Jan 14 2020 09:47am
Quote (tagged4nothing @ Jan 14 2020 09:43am)
"dark money" leaves candidates compromised. is this not the argument of using dark money?

i have to leave in a few minutes, but i'll be back later today.
i'm genuinely curious about people's perspective on this.


All else equal go with the candidate at least paying lip service to change. Dark money doesnt necessarily change opinions, but it does give people who share the opinions that are profitable to companies over people a disproportionate voice.
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