you're just at home sleeping or hanging out, and die to a plane crash, that is scary

Are you able to clarify this position? So Russia is a reliable source of energy for the EU. Its the EU's fault that energy supply has been interrupted. Its the EU's fault because they are supporting Ukraine after Putin invaded Ukraine?



This post was too difficult for me to comprehend.



It's glaringly obvious, in my opinion that Russia is an unreliable supplier of energy to Europe. Saying that Russia has behaved "logically" in invading Ukraine (which is entirely debatable) does not convince me otherwise.
I actually don't even understand this statement. The only thing I can presume is that you believe the EU's reaction to the invasion of Ukraine, eg. sanctions. Admonish Russia from having a reputation as an unreliable supplier of energy.

I would ask someone who thinks this way, do you think that the EU should seek to resume gas supply from Russia, with the ongoing invasion of Ukraine?

I accept there are compromises when it comes to, who we do business with. For example, Saudi Arabia and their dogshit human rights record. It would be a step to far in my opinion, to appease Putin and resume buying energy from Russia, on the scale previously seen.
There has to be a line in the sand with tyrants. They tried appeasement in the 1930's.



Its fucked.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Oct 18 2022 11:37am

Don't worry I bet out of 13 of those more than half where celebrating the death of a family and a pregnant woman in Kiev that morning thanks to Russian drone strikes. Then Karma took the wheel and rest is history

If you have the inclination to walk down this road/debate:

Tell me again what factor makes Russia an unreliable source of energy.

My opening argument would go something like this:

The US should not have played a hand in the removal of the elected Ukrainian Government in 2014. Nor should they have pumped billions into the country since then with this war in mind. The european members of Nato should have told the US in no uncertain terms that this was a bad idea, and instead they should have outlined to the US that Russia was not the enemy and therefore we did not need to wake the bear. Ukraine had already been stepping close to the EU in recent decades and there was no need to accelerate this. Eventually Ukraine would and will, be a part of the EU. When Russia sat down with Ukraine earlier this year, and, as I understood it, Ukraine was about to agree to a settlement, the US and England should not have veteod/told Ukraine not to negotiate. This would have ended the war. Similarily the US should be looking to end the war not escalate it, but they are winning at the moment so they won't. Now I accept that there are people that find such a settlement a betrayal, but my arguement is that at least Ukraine (with the borders it had) would be free.

The West then imposed sanctions on Russia. I would query, why did we do that ? Ultimately this wars origins were very well telegraphed and therefore the EU should honestly have minded its own business. If the US wanted to support Ukraine, fine, let them, but dragging Nato and the EU into this has led to where we are today. We imposed sanctions, russia responded by cutting off energy. Calling Russia unreliable for this is ignoring the actions the EU took before that point.

We have now already crossed several bridges, there is no point crying over spilt milk. at this point Ukraine will recapture everything it has lost and we can look at crimea next year. so this time next year we can see if the US is willing to end this war or not (the US is the only entity that can end the war). no point talking about removing sanctions etc as thats completely unrealistic.

This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 18 2022 12:03pm

Meanwhile, Kherson secedes from the Russian Federation despite fresh smoking hot plebiscite. Signs of this situation to happen were there since the beginning of the week. Representatives of Kherson authorities started evacuation of the city handing certificates to buy apartments anywhere in Russia for those willing to leave. Today many pro-russian telegram channels were full of messages like "be prepared for something awful to happen". A possibility of this to be announced at the upcoming Security Council Summit just skyrocketed. Tomorrow will be a day full of news.

And I know you think that America bombing those pipelines is actually a blessing in disguise as it's ridding Europe of barely profitable minerals and alloy production, and that this is all going to turn around within this magic 2 year window where gas liquefaction plants are going to be installed from Argentina to Canada at speeds that would make Stalin blush, but, lol, you are wrong on all counts.

Europe is being de-industrialized, de-energized and even de-toiletpaperized, and this is all before the incoming war with China, which the current crop of utterly delusional EU politicians will almost certainly also dive into face first, expecting a pool and finding a damp slab of concrete.

This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Oct 18 2022 11:59am

war with china might not be for another 30 years.

Not source, supplier.

Take your pick^^ The factors are blatantly obvious.

Threatening to cut off supply.
Actually cutting of supply to Poland + Bulgaria.
Demanding gas is paid for only in Rubles.
Reducing supply in NS1 to 40% in June.
"Halting the operation of one of the last two operating turbines of the Nord Stream 1 pipeline due to the “technical condition of the engine”." - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/7/26/explainer-nord-stream-1-gas-pipeline-russia-germany-europe

And oh I don't know, invading the most important transit country of energy supply to Europe.

That is only scratching the surface.

Do you believe Russia has the reputation of a reliable supplier of energy to Europe?
If you do, what factors lead you to believe that?

5 years tops.

This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Oct 18 2022 12:04pm

see my edit, but i will respond to your post when i get a minute, trying to do some ladder trades XD

This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 18 2022 12:06pm