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Oct 18 2022 06:41am
Quote (Norlander @ 18 Oct 2022 14:38)
Some of them are already sent and even sent back.
Reminds me of a joke: Buy kabob and assemble a kitten.


This joke means "it's just completely wrong to try to do that" right ?
By send back, you means in a box or rollin chair ?
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Oct 18 2022 06:42am
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This joke means "it's just completely wrong to try to do that" right ?
By send back, you means in a box or rollin chair ?


I meant pieces in both sentences
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Oct 18 2022 06:44am
Quote (Santara @ 18 Oct 2022 15:41)
The word in Western media is that the mobilization greatly skews to non ethnic-Russian oblasts. Known KIAs are disproportionately Dagestani and Buryitian.


Now it's not, they volunteered, got wrecked, so they don't even send anyone during "partial' mobilization.
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Oct 18 2022 06:48am
Quote (Santara @ Oct 18 2022 07:41am)
The word in Western media is that the mobilization greatly skews to non ethnic-Russian oblasts. Known KIAs are disproportionately Dagestani and Buryitian.


There's plenty of reason to believe this, but like the casualty figures it could also be exaggerated in an attempt to stir up dissent and ethnic strife. There is a lot of details of this war I doubt we'll ever know for sure given every party is so obviously engaged in pumping out the disinformation.
I heard that in particular, the attack on recruits in Belgorod was sparked by Muslim tensions with non-Muslims between the Tajiks / Dagestanis / Azeris. But as far as I've gleaned from google since, that remains rumors and there's no "official" accounts to confirm or deny, not that we'd believe what they said anyway
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Oct 18 2022 07:14am
If I had to guess more ethnic minorities from non-ethnic Russian oblasts were mobilized initially. Two primary reasons really, one is that their casualties are not as 'felt' by the mainstream Russians so public outcry against the war wouldn't be as pronounced. Secondly, some of those areas I could 100% see heavier volunteering. The culture and ethnic makeup of lets say St. Petersburg vs Grozny is a lot different. War, aggression, machismo is much deeper ingrained imo in the Chechen & Dagestani young men. I mean they grew up during the Chechen wars and there's a certain normalcy about war. We see it with MMA, for such a small ethnic group they are overwhelmingly represented with a lot of top fighters, that's indicative of their culture. I think in those regions it's a sense of honor. If your brother or cousin died in Ukraine, that serves as rallying cry. Putin of course loves that shit, that's why Kadyrov is so publicly elevated.
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Oct 18 2022 07:31am
AL Jazeera, BBC, CNN etc:

In little more than a week, Russian forces have destroyed a third of Ukraine’s power stations in repeated attacks targeting the war-torn nation’s energy infrastructure, according to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. “Since October 10, 30 percent of Ukraine’s power stations have been destroyed, causing massive blackouts across the country,” Zelenskyy said on Tuesday.

Russia:

Russian envoy says German authorities crossed the red line with arms deliveries to Kiev

Foxnews:

Iran now selling missiles to Russia, adding to its kamikaze drones, report. The sales come as reports have suggested Russia is running low on munitions

Reuters:

India-Russia joint venture hopes for $5 bln in supersonic missile exports by 2025

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Yea I saw that earlier - its on several sites.

This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 18 2022 07:33am
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Oct 18 2022 07:44am
No announcement yet, except of regular one. May be tomorrow there will be some news at the Security Council Summit with Medvedev as a speaker.
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Oct 18 2022 07:49am
Quote (bogie160 @ Oct 17 2022 10:34am)
You have it backwards. Russian regime security is at stake, Russian battlefield losses drive further escalation, not the other way around. Russia's invasion has incurred a tremendous cost in lives, money, and prestige. The first two are irreversible, and only by achieving some measure of "victory" can Putin salvage the latter to justify the former.

The alternative (leaving Ukraine to its fate) is untenable, because we need to make it unequivocal that we'll defend our real interests (the Baltics and Taiwan). Defending a non-allied country is one way of proving that. But we need to understand what we're trying to do. The window for a negotiated peace is all but closed. So if we're saying "color revolution in Russia", then we need to be prepared for the realistic use of tactical nuclear weapons. Putin won't survive the downfall of his regime, he has nothing to lose.


Has Western support in the war thus far caused escalation by Russia? It seems to me it's forced them to retreat and hold less Ukrainian territory. They began the war dropping soldiers into Kiev to quickly overthrow the government, and now they are getting their asses kicked in eastern Ukraine. (to be clear, the credit mostly goes to the Ukrainian soldiers, not the West for providing them arms)

Putin's nuclear threats come from a place of weakness, and if you think responding with weakness is a good strategy, I'd love to hear why.

Outside of Biden's slip of the tongue at that speech, I don't see American officials talking about how Putin has to go. Is there any evidence that Putin has shown he wants a realistic negotiated settlement to end the war?

After watching so many clips these past several months of Russian television on the Ukraine war, it's hard to take seriously the idea that Putin has to escalate. Russian TV is basically Fox News for Trump... they will defend whatever he does. He can easily end this war in a way that allows for the propagandists to spin it for the Russian people.

This post was edited by IceMage on Oct 18 2022 07:50am
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