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Lrn2Read. I said nothing of the sort. I said the irony of y'all bitching because these people aren't protesting peacefully is delicious, considering you never approved of their methods of peaceful protest in the past.

who is “y’all” in this situation? i’ve been consistent in support for peaceful protests always, and from this forum’s standpoint dating back to the original Kaepernick kneeling thread. people can support others protesting but be detached from the actual protests themselves. true to form, i’ve also been consistent in being against rioters and looters as they often are self-serving and cause damage to peaceful protestors. i want justice for George Floyd and a significant clamping down on police brutality, which is particularly heinous against black males. this is likely the same viewpoint you share. I think we can both agree that rioting and looting by selfish groups that are not the same as the peaceful protestors are going to be tough sells on achieving these worthy goals.

this is a similar stance that many people have, including Presisent Obama when there were riots in Ferguson and Baltimore. he asked for peaceful protesting and condemed riots - even called the rioters thugs! unfortunately the rioters didnt listen to him then either and kept on looting and pillaging.
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Lrn2Read. I said nothing of the sort. I said the irony of y'all bitching because these people aren't protesting peacefully is delicious, considering you never approved of their methods of peaceful protest in the past.


Never supported the methods or the cause?
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trump's own DHS reporting white supremacists using george floyd protests as cover to shoot peaceful protesters and incite race wars.

whether your extremist on the left or right, this is wrong.


those who denied it being anyone on the right - this is trumps own dhs saying this.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/01/dhs-domestic-terrorists-protest-294342
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Never supported the methods or the cause?


Didn't hear about the huge masses of football fans who swore they'd never go to, or watch another football game in their life if the NFL didn't get it under control? Those people are real, and numerous. I even work with one, who has done what he said he would: boycott the NFL permanently.
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Friends, I am ok, but I am, frankly shaken. I was at St. John's, Lafayette Square most of the afternoon, with fellow clergy and laypeople - and clergy from some other denominations too. We were passing out water and snacks, and helping the patio area at St. John's, Lafayette square to be a place of respite and peace. All was well - with a few little tense moments - until about 6:15 or so. By then, I had connected with the Black Lives Matter medic team, which was headed by an EMT. Those people were AMAZING. They had been on the patio all day, and thankfully had not had to use much of the eyewash they had made. Around 6:15 or 6:30, the police started really pushing protestors off of H Street (the street between the church and Lafayette Park, and ultimately, the White House. They started using tear gas and folks were running at us for eyewashes or water or wet paper towels. At this point, Julia, one of our seminarians for next year (who is a trauma nurse) and I looked at each other in disbelief. I was coughing, her eyes were watering, and we were trying to help people as the police - in full riot gear - drove people toward us. Julia and her classmates left and I stayed with the BLM folks trying to help people. Suddenly, around 6:30, there was more tear gas, more concussion grenades, and I think I saw someone hit by a rubber bullet - he was grasping his stomach and there was a mark on his shirt. The police in their riot gear were literally walking onto the St. John's, Lafayette Square patio with these metal shields, pushing people off the patio and driving them back. People were running at us as the police advanced toward us from the other side of the patio. We had to try to pick up what we could. The BLM medic folks were obviously well practiced. They picked up boxes and ran. I was so stunned I only got a few water bottles and my spray bottle of eyewash. We were literally DRIVEN OFF of the St. John's, Lafayette Square patio with tear gas and concussion grenades and police in full riot gear. We were pushed back 20 feet, and then eventually - with SO MANY concussion grenades - back to K street. By the time I got back to my car, around 7, I was getting texts from people saying that Trump was outside of St. John's, Lafayette Square. I literally COULD NOT believe it. WE WERE DRIVEN OFF OF THE PATIO AT ST. JOHN'S - a place of peace and respite and medical care throughout the day - SO THAT MAN COULD HAVE A PHOTO OPPORTUNITY IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH!!! PEOPLE WERE HURT SO THAT HE COULD POSE IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH WITH A BIBLE! HE WOULD HAVE HAD TO STEP OVER THE MEDICAL SUPPLIES WE LEFT BEHIND BECAUSE WE WERE BEING TEAR GASSED!!!!
I am deeply shaken. I did not see any protestors throw anything until the tear gas and concussion grenades started, and then it was mostly water bottles. I am shaken, not so much by the taste of tear gas and the bit of a cough I still have, but by the fact that that show of force was for a PHOTO OPPORTUNITY. The patio of St. John's, Lafayette square had been HOLY GROUND today. A place of respite and laughter and water and granola bars and fruit snacks. But that man turned it into a BATTLE GROUND first, and a cheap political stunt second. I am DEEPLY OFFENDED on behalf of every protestor, every Christian, the people of St. John's, Lafayette square, every decent person there, and the BLM medics who stayed with just a single box of supplies and a backpack, even when I got too scared and had to leave. I am ok. But I am now a force to be reckoned with.
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who is “y’all” in this situation? i’ve been consistent in support for peaceful protests always, and from this forum’s standpoint dating back to the original Kaepernick kneeling thread. people can support others protesting but be detached from the actual protests themselves. true to form, i’ve also been consistent in being against rioters and looters as they often are self-serving and cause damage to peaceful protestors. i want justice for George Floyd and a significant clamping down on police brutality, which is particularly heinous against black males. this is likely the same viewpoint you share. I think we can both agree that rioting and looting by selfish groups that are not the same as the peaceful protestors are going to be tough sells on achieving these worthy goals.

this is a similar stance that many people have, including Presisent Obama when there were riots in Ferguson and Baltimore. he asked for peaceful protesting and condemed riots - even called the rioters thugs! unfortunately the rioters didnt listen to him then either and kept on looting and pillaging.


You mad the rioters are impacting the value of your assets and USD?
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Quote (Santara @ Jun 2 2020 06:25am)
Didn't hear about the huge masses of football fans who swore they'd never go to, or watch another football game in their life if the NFL didn't get it under control? Those people are real, and numerous. I even work with one, who has done what he said he would: boycott the NFL permanently.


Also, the point of the riots isn't to convince entitled white people. Those who are unconvinced and entrenched are interested in keeping this status quo.

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