Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 17 2022 05:47pm)
Kherson fell right at the start of the war, I was talking about the timespan since early April. Russia was of course making good gains during the early days of the invasion when their forces were still well-ordered and logistics were not a problem yet, and there were no Western arms pouring into Ukraine.
Sievierodonetsk is the sister city of Lysychansk that I already mentioned, they are basically one agglomeration. Think of the two like Minneapolis and St. Paul. ;)
I have better things to do with my life than address every single one of your posts in which you spew Russian propaganda.
The BBC chart suffers from several issues.
1. It only counts actual deaths, which is a much more narrow category than what is usually understood by the term "casualties" in a military context (namely the number of killed, maimed or otherwise incapacitated soldiers).
2. It doesn't include the heavy death toll that Russia's proxy forces have suffered, forces which make up something like half of Russia's entire invading army.
3. It only counts until late June, while Russia has only been on the proper back heel since late July.
4. The numbers don't come from the British BBC, they come from "BBC Russia", their Russia-based subsidiary. Are we to assume that BBC journalists operating in Russia can report and investigate freely without having to fear reprisals, can we expect them to have access to credible, non-doctored numbers?
Oh, an attempt!
Lets see how flimsy it is!
1. Trying to drag the numbers from easily measurable numbers (deaths) to easily hideable numbers (people who go to various hospitals, which certainly the BBC doesn't have the resources to cover).
2. I stated this in the very beginning, of course, explicitly stating "Of course, Russia undercounts in other ways, primarily by not including deaths in the militias." This is a common tactic from dishonest people, be they Western shills or religious zealots: restating your own words and hoping that people will forget what was already said, making it seem as if the dishonest party has corrected the honest party on something. Here is the original post, again:
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=6283810833. Again, this is something I explicitly mentioned. Same tactic as above. And no, the Russians haven't been fighting and dying, they've been retreating before lines break.
4. Making assumptions about how the BBC has been corrupted by Putin's iron fist. What would it entail in this situation? It would entail the Russian government intervening in the BBC to force them to change the numbers they got from visiting graveyards and monitoring social media. Does anyone seriously think that such an action would not be covered by the BBC?
That's a big fat 0/4, bud, but thanks for at least attempting.
This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Oct 17 2022 06:58pm