Quote (Santara @ 18 Oct 2022 01:42)
There was Sievierodonetsk and Kherson as well. For now.
Kherson fell right at the start of the war, I was talking about the timespan since early April. Russia was of course making good gains during the early days of the invasion when their forces were still well-ordered and logistics were not a problem yet, and there were no Western arms pouring into Ukraine.
Sievierodonetsk is the sister city of Lysychansk that I already mentioned, they are basically one agglomeration. Think of the two like Minneapolis and St. Paul.
Quote (kusotarre1 @ 18 Oct 2022 02:00)
You a few hours ago: Russia is definitely lying about their deaths, it's so obvious!
Me: This in depth investigation by the BBC where they track Russian social media and visit actual graveyards in Russia corroborates Russia's numbers. I predict you will not respond to this in any substantive way.
You, in response to the above: Change topic to some other thing, as predicted.
As I said in my response, this is predictable because every time I actually challenge you on anything that would require you to do research or think critically, you change the topic or refuse to contend with the actual numbers put forth by journalists and researchers. Deaths counts, Russian military production, European industrial metrics.
I have better things to do with my life than address every single one of your posts in which you spew Russian propaganda.
The BBC chart suffers from several issues.
1. It only counts actual deaths, which is a much more narrow category than what is usually understood by the term "casualties" in a military context (namely the number of killed, maimed or otherwise incapacitated soldiers).
2. It doesn't include the heavy death toll that Russia's proxy forces have suffered, forces which make up something like half of Russia's entire invading army.
3. It only counts until late June, while Russia has only been on the proper back heel since late July.
4. The numbers don't come from the British BBC, they come from "BBC Russia", their Russia-based subsidiary. Are we to assume that BBC journalists operating in Russia can report and investigate freely without having to fear reprisals, can we expect them to have access to credible, non-doctored numbers?
This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 17 2022 06:49pm