Dat deadly Iranian drone

I'd be surprised if a single battlefield statistic the Ukrainians have published since this war has started is more than 50% accurate. They lie about absolutely everything to very often ridiculous excess. And why not? No Western "journalists" ever provide significant pushback.

While true, the same argument applies at least as much to any info coming from the Russian side. According to them, they've suffered sub-10k casualties since this war began.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 17 2022 04:04pm

Here's footage of Kalibr's btw, they have a distinct whistling sound

https://twitter.com/CasalMauri/status/1579583858567446528
https://twitter.com/orsettiblue/status/1579594964434300929

6k KIA out of an initial invasion force of 190k. Guess it's time to call up 300k-1m+, because 6k are KIA.

This post was edited by Santara on Oct 17 2022 04:10pm

Moskwa

:)))

this is so delusional.

The Russian number of ~7000 IIRC that Shoigu stated when mobilization was announced is roughly similar to what the BBC found:


What's funny about this picture is the method which the BBC uses to make it looks like Russia is lying. They run their count up to the 24th of June, but use a Russian number from 3 months earlier to make it seem like Russia is lying. Well, if you just extrapolate the 2700 deaths from 25 Mar to 24 Jun out another 3 months, to late September, what do you get?

A tad under 7,000.

So who is lying, exactly?

Of course, Russia undercounts in other ways, primarily by not including deaths in the militias.

But outright lying by multiples of factors like Ukraine does? Doesn't appear so.

Cope and seethe, I don't expect any substantive response from people like you.

This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Oct 17 2022 04:19pm

Interesting.

I didn't claim one or the other was or was not terrorism, you did.

That said, I don't see them as similar acts because unlike the US - which bombs everything from power plants to hospitals to government offices and even by the lower, discrete counts saw some 7,000 deaths - the civilian death toll from the last week of Russian strikes is very low, possibly under 100. This evidences a much more humane or at least restrictive targeting regime.

Further, the acts are different due to the contexts of the war. Russia avoided doing this for months, America did it immediately. Russia tried for 8 years to prevent this war from happening, America was planning the invasion of Iraq even before the planes hit the towers and engaged in a global campaign of lies to do it.

They aren't similar situations, Shock and Awe is worse in magnitude, in intent, and legally.

Frankly, anyone who draws equivalence between the last week in Ukraine and the months of bombing in Iraq is probably racist just based on body counts alone.