Quote (ferdia @ 11 Mar 2022 12:29)
If you dont see attacks on russians outside of russia being inevitable, then thats on you, not me. supporting hate speech in any way IS a precursor to hate crimes. i will make a point of referencing such events as they WILL OCCUR around the world, over the next few months and is more likely to occur then Russia invading Ukraine. But wait, Russia DID INVADE.
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Here some examples, the "start" :
Washington Post - LONDON — Russian chef Alexei Zimin is donating part of his London restaurant’s revenue to support Red Cross work with Ukrainian refugees. He has been singing songs by a Russian dissident poet on Instagram, posting messages such as: “Stop the war. Withdraw troops. Bring our soldiers home.” He knows that in speaking out this way, he may never be able to return to Russia, where he has been credited with leading a gastronomic revolution and owns two more restaurants. And yet angry messages are filling his restaurant’s voice-mail inbox. “Russians are killers,” one declared. “You’re Putin’s Russians,” another accused.
Zimin, 50, is among those who have been hit by a sudden and rapidly rising tide of anti-Russian sentiment in Europe. While governments have moved to punish Russian President Vladimir Putin and sanction oligarchs, while societies have been calling for cultural figures — from hockey stars to opera singers — to denounce the war, Russian expats who have never had sympathy for Putin and who are horrified by what’s happening in Ukraine say they are facing a wave of generalized hostility.
“Across Europe, people who have no involvement with the war are being targeted and removed from positions,” said Aleksandra Lewicki, a sociologist at the University of Sussex. “There’s a sense of a clear enemy, it’s Russians, from all walks of life, who are being targeted by racist hate crimes and derogatory comments.”
Lumping all Russians together was a predictable “knee jerk reaction,” Lewicki said. In the Western European imagination, the East has long been inferior, she said. “Often these things are dormant, but then things happen like this crisis moment, and then people start instantly acting on these impulses.”
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it took me less then 5 minutes to find that.
here is another one:
Today, Prime Minister Petr Fiala (ODS) condemned the attacks on Russian citizens and especially children living in the Czech Republic on the show Terezie Tománková on CNN Prima News.
and another one
Toronto police are investigating a suspected hate crime after vehicles with Russian flags were damaged at a movie theatre parking lot in Etobicoke. Police said the incident happened Saturday evening in the parking lot of Cineplex in the area of The Queensway and Islington Avenue. Two males allegedly used sledgehammers to damage several parked vehicles that had Russian flags displayed in the windshields.
and another one
Police investigate reports of hate speech targeting the Russian-Calgarian community
you're strawmanning hard though. i never suggested those things wouldn't or didn't happen - actually, your own example illustrates my point: the
already existing, misguided anger and hatred towards innocent russians, who actually oppose putin's invasion and war crimes, has literally nothing to do with that temporary and regionally restricted facebook policy change. those morons spamming random innocent russians with threats and insults aren't even remotely affected by it.
believe me, i really hate "defending" that shitty company. the world would undoubtedly be a better place without it, and i couldn't care less about their image or their products - but i simply don't buy into the moronic narrative that eastern europeans being able to temporarily voice their frustration with murderous dictators and war criminals online, is somehow CAUSING the inability of western morons and bigots to distinguish between putin supporters / oligarchs and random innocent russians. it's simply a dumb talking point. do you think japanese internment camps only happened because hawaiians weren't censored from wishing death upon admiral yamamoto and emperor hirohito?
just to re-iterate: i think it's perfectly valid to oppose the move, i'm personally open to arguments for either side - i just find your framing pretty asinine and alarmist - even more so after you tried to support it with examples that have literally nothing to do with the decision in question.
This post was edited by fender on Mar 11 2022 06:27am