Giuliani fixed New York City in less than two years, your bad ideas don't work.

Blue collar wages skyrocketed under Trump because the market for illegals getting paid 5$/hr vanished.

I'm not sure the Great Society constitutes a Band-Aid. How much more ambitious a program, or bigger a program, did you want? Welfare, the War on Poverty, federal funds for education, Medicare, welfare. These are major policy programs which were pushed through in large part to "end poverty" and "racial injustice". We gave these programs a fair shot, and 50 years is not exactly a small amount of time. Did they achieve what they set out to do? I'm highly suspicious when the answer seems to always be "we didn't do enough", especially when there's no evidence that the initial prescription worked.

We need to focus less on racism and more on the effects of structural inequality. Rural West Virginians are mostly white, and I don't think there's anyone who can argue that they aren't trapped in a cycle of poverty. Lack of economic opportunity, broken families, poor education, these factors quickly become endemic in a community. When we say that housing projects and welfare can't solve for the underlying issue, we're admitting that the prescription of government spending and government programs is not the solution. Poor people, whether inner city blacks or rural West Virginians, need the opportunity to form stable families, and that requires stable jobs, education, and low(er) crime.

Asians formed stable communities, prioritized education, and in many cases created economic opportunity for themselves (e.g. Korean shop-owners). As a whole, they're now more successful than whites. The situation is different, so no one should say that anyone, white, black, or Hispanic, just needs to copy the Asian-American model, but we can use their success to better understand what drives successful integration and what does not. It's not like whites were ecstatic to welcome Asians into their community, nor did they want Irish in their communities, or Italians, but the acceptance is earned as cultural perceptions shift over time and those groups begin to be associated with wealth and higher status. It is going to be a multi-generational process. It is unfortunate that the last 2-3 generations have been squandered.

*asians are more successful than whites*

I love you racial essentialist, hilarious in your views of Aryan science race nomenclature as sports teams. You have the asians vs the whites vs the blacks.

The Dave Chappelle racial draft makes fun of this.

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/visualizations/2018/demo/p60-263/figure1.pdf

The "racial essentialist" United States government.

You are embarrassing yourself.

Asians surely did a lot of things right, but I think there are additional factors at play. Their average is artificially lifted by the large percentage of highly educated H-1B visa holders among this racial group, who also happen to disproportionately work and live in the highest income regions of the country (Silicon Valley, Seattle and such). Generally speaking, Asians tended to settle disproportionately in regions which have been on the winning side of the economic development of recent decades - the Bay Area, greater LA, Seattle, Atlanta, Houston, the Acela corridor.

By contrast, hispanics are often coming for farm jobs and thus living in stagnant rural areas while poor blacks and whites are often times stuck in the deprived place of their birth due to family ties or their house.


Tldr: for a fair assessment of how well or poorly the ethnic groups have been doing, the metric has to be normalized for geographic patterns and the resulting gap in opportunity.

we're saying the same thing then, although im saying govt programs wont work ALONE.

the biggest issue in fixing the inner city is that where democrats control, large urban areas,, we see the most aggressive social programs. but we in that same place also see the most red tape crippling enterprise. and what's needed to give urban poor populations the agency to rise above their station is autonomy in enterprise. not only for monetary autonomy but food autonomy, childcare autonomy, clothing autonomy, etc.

what's needed is a lessoning of red tape, a right winged idea, and an underlying safety net of social programs, a leftist idea. 2 prongs of a solution that become untenable in both an urban poor black population and a rural poor white population. both groups largely get 1 prong and ultimately fail.

ive been into the urban gardening initiative scene for almost a decade, and ive seen the same pattern arise over and over. empty rundown lots converted into growing spaces that are largely community run food mills that only accrue a nominal profit and dont draw from that tax pool for funding. gubment doesnt like volunteer labor, food as payment, gets weary of the small income and fears under the table sales, and the hammer drops. and just like that, be it detroit, atlanta, or LA, a community trying to create its own autonomy is told to go back on food stamps, leave the rundown crumbling lots vacant because the city will get around to it eventually, and go get a job at the local 7-11 to pay your bills.



"my ideas" in the context of "what should we change" largely become reduce red tape and let capitalism fix the situation while leaving the safety nets in place. i wouldnt increase safety nets at all.

another day, another pathetic strawman attempt from endless.

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Safety nets are the problem, they need to be dismantled. It rings true in basically every area it touches.

I don't see a reason for most of them other than disability and unemployment.

And the age for SS should be 72-80.

Iirc you lost a job during the trump presidency and haven't recovered yet, are you not taking advantage of the social services programs and government benefits available to you?

rest in shit to a blatant murderer. and we'll get updates on how he's being treated in prison, while the person he murdered in cold blood is just gone.

When money becomes your religion, you build the chains that bind you to this world.