d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate > Russiagate Gathering Steam?
Prev1145146147148149445Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 105,148
Joined: Apr 25 2006
Gold: 10,475.00
Jun 3 2018 08:07am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 2 2018 08:54pm)
The letter is just all the same stuff retrodden since everyone knows the legal arguments involved already.
How the NYT got the memo seems like a pretty big story. If its from Trump's team, thats one thing. If its from Mueller's team, that's something else entirely.

but we've already heard plenty about the lawyerly slapfight over executive privilege and the presidential authority arguments from trumps team for half a year. Its not like its news that they aren't just rolling over on the question of whether a subpoena can be issued. Are there any new details in there?




Well, this IS a nothing burger, but I feel it's more. It's like, it's like... an olden burger.
Look at the libtards slobber all over this. No table manners. :/

Trump's lawyer says will fight Russia probe subpoena: report

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-lawyers/trumps-lawyer-says-will-fight-russia-probe-subpoena-report-idUSKCN1IY0U9

Quote
In an earlier tweet, Trump took what appeared to be a pre-emptive swipe at the Times report shortly before it ran that questioned whether Mueller’s office or the Justice Department leaked letters from his lawyers.



Member
Posts: 49,289
Joined: Jun 18 2006
Gold: 11.77
Jun 3 2018 08:34am
On Don Jr's statement following the Trump tower meeting revelation:

Jay Sekulow, 7/16/17: “The President was not involved in the drafting of the statement”

Sarah Sanders, 8/1/17: “He weighed in, offered suggestions like any father would do.”

Trump lawyers to NYT today: Trump dictated the statement, which they call “short but accurate”.
Member
Posts: 105,148
Joined: Apr 25 2006
Gold: 10,475.00
Jun 3 2018 09:01am
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 3 2018 10:34am)
On Don Jr's statement following the Trump tower meeting revelation:

Jay Sekulow, 7/16/17: “The President was not involved in the drafting of the statement”

Sarah Sanders, 8/1/17: “He weighed in, offered suggestions like any father would do.”

Trump lawyers to NYT today: Trump dictated the statement, which they call “short but accurate”.




No link. :/
Member
Posts: 49,289
Joined: Jun 18 2006
Gold: 11.77
Jun 3 2018 09:05am
Quote (Ghot @ Jun 3 2018 10:01am)
No link. :/


Aw shit, my bad. Here you go:

https://www.google.com/
Member
Posts: 105,148
Joined: Apr 25 2006
Gold: 10,475.00
Jun 3 2018 09:10am
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 3 2018 11:05am)
Aw shit, my bad. Here you go:

https://www.google.com/




No can do. I'm not the expert nothing burger news gatherer that you are. :D
Member
Posts: 50,906
Joined: Jan 20 2010
Gold: 5,836.00
Jun 3 2018 09:41am
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 3 2018 04:47am)
:bonk:

If you had to bet, would you go with Trump team leaking or Mueller team leaking?


I dont like bets. I like laying out the likely possibilities and not choosing any. Given that it seems to serve more purpose against Trump than for him and puts him on the defenisve, Muellers team leaking it is certainly possible. More likely is someone anti-Trump gaining access to the emails from Trumps team like a white house aide. Its also possible a leaker or hacker got ahold of it through illegal means, like a google administrator with a gmail backdoor. Its also possible that this email was among materials in the Cohen raid and went to the SDNY just now and was immediately leaked. Thats a lot of vectors. Its an old letter
Member
Posts: 49,289
Joined: Jun 18 2006
Gold: 11.77
Jun 3 2018 09:48am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 3 2018 10:41am)
I dont like bets. I like laying out the likely possibilities and not choosing any. Given that it seems to serve more purpose against Trump than for him and puts him on the defenisve, Muellers team leaking it is certainly possible. More likely is someone anti-Trump gaining access to the emails from Trumps team like a white house aide. Its also possible a leaker or hacker got ahold of it through illegal means, like a google administrator with a gmail backdoor. Its also possible that this email was among materials in the Cohen raid and went to the SDNY just now and was immediately leaked. Thats a lot of vectors. Its an old letter


Does it though?

As you said, for months we've seen Trump lawyers and his propagandists in the media making these arguments. Maybe they put it out to soften the public even more before the legal battle starts.

Why would Cohen even have the letter? He's not on the Russia team.

Let's be honest, if you had to bet, you'd say it's more likely that it was leaked by the Trump team, not Mueller's team. They've been basically leak proof as far as we know.
Member
Posts: 50,906
Joined: Jan 20 2010
Gold: 5,836.00
Jun 3 2018 10:05am
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 3 2018 09:48am)
Does it though?

As you said, for months we've seen Trump lawyers and his propagandists in the media making these arguments. Maybe they put it out to soften the public even more before the legal battle starts.

Why would Cohen even have the letter? He's not on the Russia team.

Let's be honest, if you had to bet, you'd say it's more likely that it was leaked by the Trump team, not Mueller's team. They've been basically leak proof as far as we know.


How would we know? If we judged secrecy on some actions taken without being leaked, I'm sure the Trump team has some examples. But we've had plenty of leaks over the past year purporting to be with inside information from Muellers team.

The letter coming from someone within Trumps orbit who got access to it and leaked it is a strong possibility but doesnt imply an intentional leak by Trumps team, like I said its an old letter, its not unreasonable that even figures like Cohen got looped in on it to be kept up to date. And all it takes is one meddlesome aide or interloper or journalist guessing a password.

I dont like theories that require Xanatos gambits. If you have to look three unpredictable steps out to speculate an impact in Trumps favor after weeks of the media exploiting it against him, its not rational. If Trumps team wanted to soften the ground for legal arguments they'd let those ideas slip in their own given context by speaking to the public on TV, not releasing the confrontational lawyerspeak to Mueller. Because look at Giuliani. Or when Ty Cobb eats very loudly at a diner next to journalists. Theres no way that leaking an entire unredacted legal document to the media works in your favor when you know all they need is one line to exploit and throw away the rest. Thats why you give them just the one line you want them to print, not a choice, and certainly not 20 pages of documents. Because here you are in this thread already hammering at one such line
Member
Posts: 105,148
Joined: Apr 25 2006
Gold: 10,475.00
Jun 3 2018 10:09am
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 3 2018 11:48am)
Does it though?

As you said, for months we've seen Trump lawyers and his propagandists in the media making these arguments. Maybe they put it out to soften the public even more before the legal battle starts.

Why would Cohen even have the letter? He's not on the Russia team.

Let's be honest, if you had to bet, you'd say it's more likely that it was leaked by the Trump team, not Mueller's team. They've been basically leak proof as far as we know.




How about a look from the other another side?

http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/25-leaks-about-the-mueller-investigation-and-the-problems-they-may-cause

I'll forgo listing the many, many leaks in this article as they don't really know the source.


Quote
The New York Times specifically reported that the leak did not come from Trump’s legal team, but Waxman suspects it did come from someone close to the president. He speculated that they are trying to blunt the political impact Mueller’s eventual report on his investigation will have.




Also, let's not forget the DOJ may be the originator of some or all of the leaks. Point being that there are more possibilities than just Trump or Mueller.



/e The really important question though is why no one pronounces Mueller correctly. It's not mull-er it's mewl-er. Wtf is wrong with folks?

This post was edited by Ghot on Jun 3 2018 10:21am
Member
Posts: 49,289
Joined: Jun 18 2006
Gold: 11.77
Jun 3 2018 10:23am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 3 2018 11:05am)
How would we know? If we judged secrecy on some actions taken without being leaked, I'm sure the Trump team has some examples. But we've had plenty of leaks over the past year purporting to be with inside information from Muellers team.

The letter coming from someone within Trumps orbit who got access to it and leaked it is a strong possibility but doesnt imply an intentional leak by Trumps team, like I said its an old letter, its not unreasonable that even figures like Cohen got looped in on it to be kept up to date. And all it takes is one meddlesome aide or interloper or journalist guessing a password.

I dont like theories that require Xanatos gambits. If you have to look three unpredictable steps out to speculate an impact in Trumps favor after weeks of the media exploiting it against him, its not rational. If Trumps team wanted to soften the ground for legal arguments they'd let those ideas slip in their own given context by speaking to the public on TV, not releasing the confrontational lawyerspeak to Mueller. Because look at Giuliani. Or when Ty Cobb eats very loudly at a diner next to journalists. Theres no way that leaking an entire unredacted legal document to the media works in your favor when you know all they need is one line to exploit and throw away the rest. Thats why you give them just the one line you want them to print, not a choice, and certainly not 20 pages of documents. Because here you are in this thread already hammering at one such line


Do you have an example of a leak that couldn't have come from the people outside the Mueller team?

Why would they keep Cohen in the loop? Seems like bad form.

Yeah... I don't know. Sometimes I feel like Trump's media strategy is to soften the country up, and that includes Republican politicians. It's not exactly 4d chess to release the arguments that the public will probably hear in a number of months from now(if Trump is issued a subpoena, and he doesn't comply with it).

This post was edited by IceMage on Jun 3 2018 10:36am
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev1145146147148149445Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll