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Aug 3 2023 03:29pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Aug 3 2023 05:55pm)
could you explain the scripture you posted?
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crusades were a response to islamc aggression. islam practically at the door of the vatican and the pope crapping his pants. are you muslim? why the interest in defending it?
Bill Warner, PhD: Jihad vs Crusades
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo


Hosea giving the jews a tongue lashing for rejecting Gods law and allowing their country to fall to sin, with a particular emphasis on the priests as they were supposed to be the stewards of Gods chosen.

Sounds like the US :D

But the priest part reminded me of you for the fact that you spend all day spamming this forum with nonsense and by doing so you enforce the stereotype of religious people as backwards and ignorant, is that a good work? Is there nothing more productive you could be doing to honor God?

I'm aware of the history of the crusades. I'm not Muslim and I don't care about defending them at all, I just have no issue with them, but I have an issue with you because of how you spoke to me.
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Aug 3 2023 03:50pm
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Hosea giving the jews a tongue lashing for rejecting Gods law and allowing their country to fall to sin, with a particular emphasis on the priests as they were supposed to be the stewards of Gods chosen.

Sounds like the US :D

But the priest part reminded me of you for the fact that you spend all day spamming this forum with nonsense and by doing so you enforce the stereotype of religious people as backwards and ignorant, is that a good work? Is there nothing more productive you could be doing to honor God?

I'm aware of the history of the crusades. I'm not Muslim and I don't care about defending them at all, I just have no issue with them, but I have an issue with you because of how you spoke to me.


i disagree that its spam. crying "spam" is just a dishonest cheap tactic like calling something "misinformation"
and
being "outraged" is just another dishonest cheap tactic

other than that your explanation of the scripture you posted impresses me.
the US is in dark times and may be a failing nation. happens when a people leave God.

This post was edited by TiStuff on Aug 3 2023 03:55pm
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i disagree that its spam. crying "spam" is just a dishonest cheap tactic like calling something "misinformation"
and
being "outraged" is just another dishonest cheap tactic


How you view it doesn't really matter, maybe you should make a poll and see how the regular posters in this forum view your posts? If most said it was spam and makes them dislike religion more, would you stop?

Who said they were outraged? :huh:
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Aug 3 2023 03:58pm
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How you view it doesn't really matter, maybe you should make a poll and see how the regular posters in this forum view your posts? If most said it was spam and makes them dislike religion more, would you stop?

Who said they were outraged? :huh:


then how you view it doesnt really matter
perhaps its on you to make an argument why its spam? perhaps you make the poll???

"but I have an issue with you because of how you spoke to me." your outraged
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Quote (TiStuff @ Aug 3 2023 06:58pm)
then how you view it doesnt really matter
perhaps its on you to make an argument why its spam? perhaps you make the poll???

"but I have an issue with you because of how you spoke to me." your outraged


Why would I do that? I don't care if you are turning people away from religion with your mindless rants because I'm not Christian, you on the other hand should care shouldn't you? If you were the cause of multiple people turning away from God, would he be pleased do you think?

I'm not outraged, I just have no reason to be respectful towards you if you aren't towards me, if you have a problem with that then maybe you should be more conscious of how you speak to people.
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Why would I do that? I don't care if you are turning people away from religion with your mindless rants because I'm not Christian, you on the other hand should care shouldn't you? If you were the cause of multiple people turning away from God, would he be pleased do you think?

I'm not outraged, I just have no reason to be respectful towards you if you aren't towards me, if you have a problem with that then maybe you should be more conscious of how you speak to people.


im turning away people because you say im turning away peopel. you should open the poll you mention and own me in front of every one. wouldnt that be faster then spending a few days reading the bible and "tearing up" my belief???

then lets say your feigning outraged

because i said you dont understand islam and it ll goes off the rails???


here is something eles you can understand about islam. perhaps its the child bride stuff is why the left is so 'tolerant with islam?

The 4 Stages Of Islamic Conquest



STAGE 1: INFILTRATION

Muslims begin moving to non-Muslim countries in increasing numbers and the beginning of cultural conflicts are visible, though often subtle.
o First migration wave to non-Muslim “host” country.
o Appeal for humanitarian tolerance from the host society.
o Attempts to portray Islam as a peaceful & Muslims as victims of misunderstanding and racism (even though Islam is not a ‘race’).
o High Muslim birth rate in host country increase Muslim population.
o Mosques used to spread Islam and dislike of host country & culture.
o Calls to criminalize “Islamophobia” as a hate crime.
o Threatened legal action for perceived discrimination.
o Offers of “interfaith dialogue” to indoctrinate non-Muslims.

How many nations are suffering from Islamic infiltration? One? A handful? Nearly every nation? The Islamic ‘leadership” of the Muslim Brotherhood and others wish to dissolve each nation’s sovereignty and replace it with the global imposition of Islamic sharia law. Sharia law, based on the koran, sira and hadith, condemns liberty and forbids equality and is inconsistent with the laws of all Western nations. As the author and historian Serge Trifkovic states:

“The refusal of the Western elite class to protect their nations from jihadist infiltration is the biggest betrayal in history.”

STAGE 2: CONSOLIDATION OF POWER

Muslim immigrants and host country converts continue demands for accommodation in employment, education, social services, financing and courts.
o Proselytizing increases; Establishment and Recruitment of Jihadi cells.
o Efforts to convert alienated segments of the population to Islam.
o Revisionist efforts to Islamize history.
o Efforts to destroy historic evidence that reveal true Islamism.
o Increased anti-western propaganda and psychological warfare.
o Efforts to recruit allies who share similar goals (communists, anarchists).
o Attempts to indoctrinate children to Islamist viewpoint.
o Increased efforts to intimidate, silence and eliminate non-Muslims.
o Efforts to introduce blasphemy and hate laws in order to silence critics.
o Continued focus on enlarging Muslim population by increasing Muslim births and immigration.
o Use of charities to recruit supporters and fund jihad.
o Covert efforts to bring about the destruction of host society from within.
o Development of Muslim political base in non-Muslim host society.
o Islamic Financial networks fund political growth, acquisition of land.
o Highly visible assassination of critics aimed to intimidate opposition.
o Tolerance of non-Muslims diminishes.
o Greater demands to adopt strict Islamic conduct.
o Clandestine amassing of weapons and explosives in hidden locations.
o Overt disregard/rejection of non-Muslim society’s legal system, culture.
o Efforts to undermine and destroy power base of non-Muslim religions including and especially Jews and Christians.

Is there a pattern here? Theo van Gogh is murdered in the Netherlands for ‘insulting’ Islam; the Organization of the Islamic Conference demands ‘anti-blasphemy’ laws through the United Nations; France is set afire regularly by ‘youths’ (read Muslims); the rise of (dis-) honor killings…holocaust denial…anti-Semitism…deception re the tenets of Islam; hatred toward Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhists. The pattern for all to see is the rise of Islamic intolerance and the covert/cultural jihad to remake host societies into sharia-compliant worlds – to remove host sovereignty and replace it with Islamic sharia law. Sharia law that condemns earthly liberty and individual freedom, that forbids equality among faiths and between the sexes, that rejects the concept of nations outside the global house of Islam, that of dar al-Islam.

STAGE 3: OPEN WAR w/ LEADERSHIP & CULTURE

Open violence to impose Sharia law and associated cultural restrictions; rejection of host government, subjugation of other religions and customs.
o Intentional efforts to undermine the host government & culture.
o Acts of barbarity to intimidate citizens and foster fear and submission.
o Open and covert efforts to cause economic collapse of the society.
o All opposition is challenged and either eradicated or silenced.
o Mass execution of non-Muslims.
o Widespread ethnic cleansing by Islamic militias.
o Rejection and defiance of host society secular laws or culture.
o Murder of “moderate” Muslim intellectuals who don’t support Islamization.
o Destruction of churches, synagogues and other non-Muslim institutions.
o Women are restricted further in accordance with Sharia law.
o Large-scale destruction of population, assassinations, bombings.
o Toppling of government and usurpation of political power.
o Imposition of Sharia law

STAGE 4: Totalitarian ISLAMIC “THEOCRACY”

Islam becomes the only religious-political-judicial-cultural ideology.
o Sharia becomes the “law of the land.
o All non-Islamic human rights cancelled.
o Enslavement and genocide of non-Muslim population.
o Freedom of speech and the press eradicated.
o All religions other than Islam are forbidden and destroyed.
o Destruction of all evidence of non-Muslim culture, populations and symbols in country (Buddhas, houses of worship, art, etc).

The House of Islam (“peace”), dar al-Islam, includes those nations that have submitted to Islamic rule, to the soul crushing, liberty-condemning, discriminatory law of Sharia. The rest of the world in in the House of War, dar al-harb, because it does not submit to Sharia, and exists in a state of rebellion or war with the will of ‘Allah.’ No non-Muslim state or its citizens are “innocent,” and remain viable targets of war for not believing in ‘Allah.’ The Christian, Jewish, Coptic, Hindu and Zoroastrian peoples of world have suffered under subjugation for centuries. The Dhimmi-esque are forbidden to construct houses of worship or repair existing ones, economically crippled by the heavy jizya (tax), socially humiliated, legally discriminated against, criminally targeted and generally kept in a permanent state of weakness, fear and vulnerability by Islamic governments.

It should be noted that forced conversions (Egypt) and slavery (Sudan) are still reported. Homosexuals have been hung in the public square in Iran. Young girls are married to old men. Apostates are threatened with death. “Honor” killings are routine. Women are legally second-class citizens, though Muslim males insist they are “treated better” than in the West. These more obvious manifestations may distract from some less obvious ones such as the lack of intellectual inquiry in science, narrow scope of writing, all but non-existent art and music, sexual use and abuse of youth and women, and the disregard for personal fulfillment, joy and wonder. Look into the eyes of a recently married 12 year old girl to see the consequence of the moral deprivation spawned by Islam.

This post was edited by TiStuff on Aug 3 2023 05:07pm
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Aug 3 2023 05:15pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Aug 3 2023 08:01pm)
im turning away people because you say im turning away peopel. you should open the poll you mention and own me in front of every one. wouldnt that be faster then spending a few days reading the bible and "tearing up" my belief???

then lets say your feigning outraged

because i said you dont understand islam and it ll goes off the rails???


here is something eles you can understand about islam. perhaps its the child bride stuff is why the left is so 'tolerant with islam?

The 4 Stages Of Islamic Conquest



STAGE 1: INFILTRATION

Muslims begin moving to non-Muslim countries in increasing numbers and the beginning of cultural conflicts are visible, though often subtle.
o First migration wave to non-Muslim “host” country.
o Appeal for humanitarian tolerance from the host society.
o Attempts to portray Islam as a peaceful & Muslims as victims of misunderstanding and racism (even though Islam is not a ‘race’).
o High Muslim birth rate in host country increase Muslim population.
o Mosques used to spread Islam and dislike of host country & culture.
o Calls to criminalize “Islamophobia” as a hate crime.
o Threatened legal action for perceived discrimination.
o Offers of “interfaith dialogue” to indoctrinate non-Muslims.

How many nations are suffering from Islamic infiltration? One? A handful? Nearly every nation? The Islamic ‘leadership” of the Muslim Brotherhood and others wish to dissolve each nation’s sovereignty and replace it with the global imposition of Islamic sharia law. Sharia law, based on the koran, sira and hadith, condemns liberty and forbids equality and is inconsistent with the laws of all Western nations. As the author and historian Serge Trifkovic states:

“The refusal of the Western elite class to protect their nations from jihadist infiltration is the biggest betrayal in history.”

STAGE 2: CONSOLIDATION OF POWER

Muslim immigrants and host country converts continue demands for accommodation in employment, education, social services, financing and courts.
o Proselytizing increases; Establishment and Recruitment of Jihadi cells.
o Efforts to convert alienated segments of the population to Islam.
o Revisionist efforts to Islamize history.
o Efforts to destroy historic evidence that reveal true Islamism.
o Increased anti-western propaganda and psychological warfare.
o Efforts to recruit allies who share similar goals (communists, anarchists).
o Attempts to indoctrinate children to Islamist viewpoint.
o Increased efforts to intimidate, silence and eliminate non-Muslims.
o Efforts to introduce blasphemy and hate laws in order to silence critics.
o Continued focus on enlarging Muslim population by increasing Muslim births and immigration.
o Use of charities to recruit supporters and fund jihad.
o Covert efforts to bring about the destruction of host society from within.
o Development of Muslim political base in non-Muslim host society.
o Islamic Financial networks fund political growth, acquisition of land.
o Highly visible assassination of critics aimed to intimidate opposition.
o Tolerance of non-Muslims diminishes.
o Greater demands to adopt strict Islamic conduct.
o Clandestine amassing of weapons and explosives in hidden locations.
o Overt disregard/rejection of non-Muslim society’s legal system, culture.
o Efforts to undermine and destroy power base of non-Muslim religions including and especially Jews and Christians.

Is there a pattern here? Theo van Gogh is murdered in the Netherlands for ‘insulting’ Islam; the Organization of the Islamic Conference demands ‘anti-blasphemy’ laws through the United Nations; France is set afire regularly by ‘youths’ (read Muslims); the rise of (dis-) honor killings…holocaust denial…anti-Semitism…deception re the tenets of Islam; hatred toward Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhists. The pattern for all to see is the rise of Islamic intolerance and the covert/cultural jihad to remake host societies into sharia-compliant worlds – to remove host sovereignty and replace it with Islamic sharia law. Sharia law that condemns earthly liberty and individual freedom, that forbids equality among faiths and between the sexes, that rejects the concept of nations outside the global house of Islam, that of dar al-Islam.

STAGE 3: OPEN WAR w/ LEADERSHIP & CULTURE

Open violence to impose Sharia law and associated cultural restrictions; rejection of host government, subjugation of other religions and customs.
o Intentional efforts to undermine the host government & culture.
o Acts of barbarity to intimidate citizens and foster fear and submission.
o Open and covert efforts to cause economic collapse of the society.
o All opposition is challenged and either eradicated or silenced.
o Mass execution of non-Muslims.
o Widespread ethnic cleansing by Islamic militias.
o Rejection and defiance of host society secular laws or culture.
o Murder of “moderate” Muslim intellectuals who don’t support Islamization.
o Destruction of churches, synagogues and other non-Muslim institutions.
o Women are restricted further in accordance with Sharia law.
o Large-scale destruction of population, assassinations, bombings.
o Toppling of government and usurpation of political power.
o Imposition of Sharia law

STAGE 4: Totalitarian ISLAMIC “THEOCRACY”

Islam becomes the only religious-political-judicial-cultural ideology.
o Sharia becomes the “law of the land.
o All non-Islamic human rights cancelled.
o Enslavement and genocide of non-Muslim population.
o Freedom of speech and the press eradicated.
o All religions other than Islam are forbidden and destroyed.
o Destruction of all evidence of non-Muslim culture, populations and symbols in country (Buddhas, houses of worship, art, etc).

The House of Islam (“peace”), dar al-Islam, includes those nations that have submitted to Islamic rule, to the soul crushing, liberty-condemning, discriminatory law of Sharia. The rest of the world in in the House of War, dar al-harb, because it does not submit to Sharia, and exists in a state of rebellion or war with the will of ‘Allah.’ No non-Muslim state or its citizens are “innocent,” and remain viable targets of war for not believing in ‘Allah.’ The Christian, Jewish, Coptic, Hindu and Zoroastrian peoples of world have suffered under subjugation for centuries. The Dhimmi-esque are forbidden to construct houses of worship or repair existing ones, economically crippled by the heavy jizya (tax), socially humiliated, legally discriminated against, criminally targeted and generally kept in a permanent state of weakness, fear and vulnerability by Islamic governments.

It should be noted that forced conversions (Egypt) and slavery (Sudan) are still reported. Homosexuals have been hung in the public square in Iran. Young girls are married to old men. Apostates are threatened with death. “Honor” killings are routine. Women are legally second-class citizens, though Muslim males insist they are “treated better” than in the West. These more obvious manifestations may distract from some less obvious ones such as the lack of intellectual inquiry in science, narrow scope of writing, all but non-existent art and music, sexual use and abuse of youth and women, and the disregard for personal fulfillment, joy and wonder. Look into the eyes of a recently married 12 year old girl to see the consequence of the moral deprivation spawned by Islam.


Lmao where did you find this garbage, and why are you copy pasting it instead of just posting a link?

Do you have a mental condition? I'm genuinely curious because I'd rather not bully you if you do. Didn't you like fry your brain with drugs or something before you found God? I seem to remember you saying something like that.
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Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Aug 3 2023 04:15pm)
Lmao where did you find this garbage, and why are you copy pasting it instead of just posting a link?

Do you have a mental condition? I'm genuinely curious because I'd rather not bully you if you do. Didn't you like fry your brain with drugs or something before you found God? I seem to remember you saying something like that.


do you understand logical fallacies? more specifically ad hominem attack
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do you understand logical fallacies? more specifically ad hominem attack


Yes, and no I don't care about them or what your opinions on them are.

So what's up with that brain of yours? You posted some testament thing or whatever talking about how you were a major fuckup till you found God, just wondering what kind partying you were doing to end up like this or if you were always like this?
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Aug 3 2023 05:45pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Aug 3 2023 04:35pm)
Yes, and no I don't care about them or what your opinions on them are.

So what's up with that brain of yours? You posted some testament thing or whatever talking about how you were a major fuckup till you found God, just wondering what kind partying you were doing to end up like this or if you were always like this?


you have just lost the argument..

not a major 'fukup actually just an average person :) i suppose the difference is who is honest about it.
and they are called testimonies . some people have pretty crazy testimonies. christians are not perfect like unbelievers are. unbelievers go on n on how great they are
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