Why don't you, lvivz and chopsticks duke it out in some trenches in Ukraine, Russia or US and leave everyone else out of this? It would be objectively the best outcome for the sake of humanity.

This post was edited by Impy on Oct 17 2022 10:07am

The sentence you quoted is irrelevant as he directly answered the question, therefore your response to it would appear to be misguided, both for the reasons outlined and that it makes no reference to the other users you mentioned. better to quote a post from Santana which would validate your claim (Which this post does not).



I think there were rumblings of this in the US Political spectrum already but it is unlikely to change the current direction of travel, in my opinion.

This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 17 2022 10:13am

If only it were that simple.

yes because me chopstickz and Santara started this. Nice logic, will get you far in this world on your short bus journey. Take a sit in the back

It makes an enormous difference. The front line of a conflict doesn't exist in a vacuum.


Whataboutism isn't a real concept, it's a rhetorical trick used to excuse people from explaining the underlying reasons for a contradiction.

Happily, it's not a concern here, since you agree Shock And Awe was an act of terrorism. How about current military conflicts the US is involved in? Is the blockade of Yemen an ongoing terrorist campaign of forced starvation? Is the US supporting terrorism when US-supplied HIMARS projectiles are landing in civilian areas of Belgorod?

And what should the consequences be? You say that Russia should be punished by others and held in universal moral contempt, I assume, so what about the US? Should the entire world devolve into people screaming at each other?

sir, i don't understand what you are implying, can you expand please. to expand my own position:

Russia directly launching missiles into the heart of Ukraine was an inevitable event noting they are losing the war conventionally. As has been quoted by others, this is not a new strategy and has been employed in previous wars by other countries to demoralise the defenders. my view is that the defenders (ukraine) will not be swayed in their resolve by these missile strikes and the expectation is that as the war goes on the west will make robust attempts to mitigate against such missiles strikes, which are well behind the current war lines.

seperately, the current narrative is focused on russia. nobody really cares what some superpower does elsewhere in the world, whether it be torture or terrorism or war (soft or hard). While I subscribe to the notion of people self reflecting, others do not. so I can admire your logic, and agree with it, but understand that not many here will agree with you.

TLDR the expression whataboutism is bandied alot around here. i dont like the word at all, i prefer if people were more direct and plain spoken. answer questions asked, provide your view, accept the facts and carry on from there. If Russia is doing stuff today that China, India, Isreal or America does elsewhere today, yesterday or tomorrow, so what.

This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 17 2022 10:41am

german low quality News Bild saying this:

ukraine shooting american rocket into belgorod (russia) airport radarstation



if thats true, you guys know what this means

This post was edited by Bananii on Oct 17 2022 10:41am

googling. I am not seeing anything about this yet.

This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 17 2022 10:47am

Some news. Sukhoi 34 had a "hard-landing" (Russian mass media term) in Eisk destroying a building. 2 km² of fire. Explosions of GSH-301-a ammo are heard by bystanders.

This post was edited by Norlander on Oct 17 2022 10:53am

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