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May 30 2018 03:11pm
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some weird stuff going on in ukraine.
there were widespread reports of a russian dissident journalist being assassinated yesterday
now im hearing that it was fake and hes fine

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dec6gYQWkAAg4ju.jpg


Ukraine is saying they faked his assassination as a sting operation to catch a Russian aided contract-killer/assassin. Ukraine said an arrest was made but i don't think any name was mentioned. Ukraine said their was a $30,000 hit out on the dissident journalist.
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May 30 2018 03:12pm
Russia benefits from U.S.'s Iran Sanctions, shocker.

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“We have to thank Donald Trump for giving us an unexpected present,” says Moscow-based oil analyst Alexey Gavrilov. “Iran’s loss…will be Russia’s gain.”


http://www.newsweek.com/2018/06/08/irans-loss-will-be-putins-unexpected-present-us-sanctions-drive-oil-prices-948173.html

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May 30 2018 03:24pm
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What the Russian propaganda ministry has to say is all well and good, but besides them being very pro-Iran Deal and Iran's ally, there are far greater geopolitical factors that go into oil prices than just the Iran Deal. Though it was a part of the recent spike. But Russia and a lot of the rest of the world was hit badly when the saudis decided to overproduce years ago, which is what tanked the russian economy, destroy venezeula, etc. We're still in the gently sloping upswing in oil prices since the saudis have eased up on production. We went from $110/bbl in 2014 to $30/bbl in 2015, and the saudis firing all their quarrels was what left Obama free to pursue the Iran Deal in the first place, or else they'd threaten him with overproduction. Can't make a threat of open warfare and oil overproduction when you're already doing both. Since 2017 we've steadily risen from $40/bbl to $70/bbl, that was before the Iran Deal withdrawal, its kind of just a blip. The break-even point for fracking in the bakken fields meanwhile dropped from ~70-80 to ~50-60, making US domestic production more profitable again.
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May 31 2018 07:32pm
Mueller probe spent $4.5 million from October to March: Justice Department

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-mueller/mueller-probe-spent-4-5-million-from-october-to-march-justice-department-idUSKCN1IW2XW

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team investigating suspected Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election spent $4.5 million between October last year and March 2018, the Department of Justice said on Thursday.

In addition, other Justice Department “components” spent $5.476 million on activities supporting the investigation, the department said in a published report. Mueller’s office is also looking into possible links between President Donald Trump’s election campaign and Russia.




I love how these guys add. Title says 4.5 mill, BUT other components added 5.4 mill to the cost. Why don't they just say 9.9 mill. :lol:


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In a Twitter post earlier this month, Trump called the Mueller investigation a “$20,000,000 Witch Hunt”. Five days earlier, he estimated the cost of the probe at $10 million.



I guess if they said 9.9 mill it would look MORE like Trump had the estimate correct.

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May 31 2018 08:31pm
What's the argument that Trump did not obstruct justice?

Demonstrating intent isn't difficult, but the best defense I've seen is that an obstruction of justice charge could be less likely if the derivative offense is not unlawful.
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May 31 2018 08:37pm
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What's the argument that Trump did not obstruct justice?

Demonstrating intent isn't difficult, but the best defense I've seen is that an obstruction of justice charge could be less likely if the derivative offense is not unlawful.




It started out to prove Trump colluded with Russia.
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Jun 1 2018 07:31am
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What's the argument that Trump did not obstruct justice?

Demonstrating intent isn't difficult, but the best defense I've seen is that an obstruction of justice charge could be less likely if the derivative offense is not unlawful.


I think intent is the difficult part... and whether the original crime can be proven is irrelevant. "It's not the crime, it's the cover-up."

Edit - I misunderstood your point. You're saying if the original "crime" isn't really a crime, such as collusion, an obstruction charge is less likely. I'm not sure I've heard that argument before... but from what I've read there could be charges of conspiracy.

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Jun 1 2018 07:40am
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What's the argument that Trump did not obstruct justice?

Demonstrating intent isn't difficult, but the best defense I've seen is that an obstruction of justice charge could be less likely if the derivative offense is not unlawful.



I think it’s just that Comey deserved to be fired for other reasons. Even though there’s recordings of trump saying he was fired over the Russia investigation, I’m sure his lawyers will argue that’s not why he was fired. Comey has also been smeared a lot by the right to help this argument.

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Jun 1 2018 08:02am
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I think it’s just that Comey deserved to be fired for other reasons. Even though there’s recordings of trump saying he was fired over the Russia investigation, I’m sure his lawyers will argue that’s not why he was fired. Comey has also been smeared a lot by the right to help this argument.

Comey was also smeared ‘a lot’ by the left, who also wanted him fired. Something conveniently left out when talking about this.

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Then-Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, accused the FBI director of breaking the Hatch Act, a federal law, by publicly disclosing new information about the Clinton investigation 11 days ahead of the presidential election.


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The next day, Rep. Steve Cohen, D-Tennessee, echoed concerns similar to Reid’s and called for Comey to resign his FBI post. Cohen reiterated that call in a Nov. 3 opinion column published in The Hill.


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Nov. 2, 2016: Days later, Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-New York, told Bloomberg News that he had lost confidence in Comey for his handling of Clinton’s email investigation.


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That same day, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-San Francisco, shared similar feelings with CNN and suggested Comey may lose his job.

"Maybe he's not in the right job," Pelosi said. "I think that we have to just get through this election and just see what the casualties are along the way."


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Jan. 13, 2017: Two months after Clinton lost to Trump, Democrats blasted Comey after a briefing on the agency’s investigation into Russia’s interference in the election.

One of them was Rep. Hank Johnson, D-Georgia, who at the time said, “My confidence in the FBI director’s ability to lead this agency has been shaken.”

Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Los Angeles, put it more bluntly: “The FBI director has no credibility.”


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Jun 1 2018 11:09am
Quote (ThatAlex @ May 31 2018 09:31pm)
What's the argument that Trump did not obstruct justice?

Demonstrating intent isn't difficult, but the best defense I've seen is that an obstruction of justice charge could be less likely if the derivative offense is not unlawful.


What is the argument that he did?

The president has the right to fire Comey, Comey's duplicity and serial leaking nonwithstanding.
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