Quote (TiStuff @ Aug 3 2023 12:17pm)

meh "then you dont know anything about it." its a valid statement. reviewing the conversation i take back the part were i said "i only talked about understanding islam. "

go ahead take the few days you need reviewing scripture. we can talk then.

Quote (majorblood @ Aug 3 2023 07:13am)

why is supporting israel's claim to the middle east something american tax payers should do? for geopolitical and military internationalism? to hinder iran further? is that the primary reason?

what makes it their rightful homeland exactly? the only reason it is currently their land is [initially and primarily] the American taxpayer. What has been shown to be true is power is what makes something your land, nothing else. Previous ownership or religions reasons mean nothing, power is all that matters.

I know that the current funding isn't propping up Israel as it's a small fraction of its gdp, but at its inception and throughout its recent history the west has financially and militarily supported israel's existence.

I think the only persuasive argument for the continual funding of israel by the west (primarily america) is that it must be an incredible investment. I am ignorant of that reasoning outside of hindering nations that hate America for its support of Israel in the first place. America doesn't really care about oil in the middle east for personal use, they only care that the oil doesn't go to places like china and russia.

what seems to be the case is America gives money to Israel so it can support military companies such as LMT but label it as foreign aid

Quote (JessiWan @ Aug 2 2023 09:53pm)

Why do you think Jews have accomplished more than White Christians?



"Because one Jewish person beat me in school once, that means the entire race of Jews is superior".



Your ancestors have created outstanding works too, why don't you acknowledge that at all? Why do you feel the need to worship a foreign people?



Lol, you can't seriously believe that. This is a line that Jews use on the rest of humanity and you fell for it completely.



I can sort of get it if some people are jealous of others but it's incredibly unlikely that they can whip up genocidal fury against an entire people because "look, those Jews are so much better than we are! Let's get them!!!"

You need to ask yourself why you believe such dumb things.

Quote (El1te @ Aug 3 2023 08:58am)

From my perspective, the reasons that ^Hamsterbaby stated are sufficient for me to justify the continued support of the state of Israel (although I would also mention the Holocaust here - it is essential that the Jewish people have their own state where they can protect themselves from future genocides), but in terms of justification that doesn't involve moral rhetoric, there is plenty of return on investment. Israel is a world leader in science and technology, with a highly skilled and educated population base - it is economically rational to invest in their continued expansion & development as one of our greatest allies and trading partners. Hell, in 100 years, it might be the Jews saving us instead.

As to what makes it their rightful homeland, the land is theirs by every right by both a moral historical argument or a right of conquest argument:

1) The Israelites migrated from Egypt to the land of Israel thousands of years ago and united the land and cultivated the civilization for over a thousand years (although they lived under the thumb of various empires throughout history) prior to the Bar Kokhba genocide and subsequent expulsion, which was a war crime. The Jewish people have every moral right to reclaim their homeland because it was forcefully taken from them as a result of great war crime.

2) If you instead believe purely in the right of conquest, such that the land belongs to the so-called Palestinians because they were given control of the land by the Romans through military might, you must also logically believe that the land now belongs to the Jews again because they re-conquered the land with the help of the British & Americans. So, by right of conquest, the land is theirs. The Jewish people are mighty and will rightfully crush any opposition with the help of Britain & America.

By both logical arguments the land belongs to the Jewish people. This is the great hypocrisy in people who criticize the existence of Israel - they think that Israel doesn't have the right to take the land by military might, yet that is exactly why the so-called Palestinians had the land in the first place.

In my opinion, which may not be popular, I support continued Judeo-Christian imperialism across the world. I support the expansion of the state of Israel further into Syria and over time, not by military conquest but by mutual unity, even further expansion of Jewish culture and unity into a single Israel-dominated state.

Quote (El1te @ Aug 3 2023 09:10am)

Because it's just simple fact that, per capita, the Jewish people are the most accomplished, highly educated, have the greatest number of scientific achievements and Nobel prizes, they absolutely wipe the floor with the competition through every metric of excellence. Our great British Protestant culture is #2 but we still fall far short of the Jewish standard. And we are in decline.

Hatred against the Jews can be understood through Cain and Abel. The Jewish people are Abel, successful, well-accomplished, while the moronic masses are Cain. They are envious of Abel's (the Jews) success and want to kill them because of that, nothing more. And the idea that Jewish people "usurp" position of power is equally moronic - the Jewish people work harder, study more, and conduct themselves with dignity to arrive at those positions through their merit alone. It's the same bullshit about how Asian people are "usurping" positions of power in the West.

Quote (majorblood @ Aug 3 2023 09:17am)

yeah I don't believe in tracking down what piece of land was someones thousands of years ago tbh, way too many issues arises from that. No way Europeans we should be in North America following that reasoning.

The second is fine, as power is the true reason any land belongs to anyone ultimately. It's their land purely because the west made it their land with financial and political support. We continued to support them heavily as the USSR supported its islamic neighbors, and that support continues today.

one of the biggest issues with jewish culture is they are allowed to practice extreme nepotism while white people are not, or at least it's very taboo (and in many cases illegal when it comes to hiring practices). The way Jewish culture is structured is very similar to what white nationalist strive for.

Quote (majorblood @ Aug 3 2023 12:17pm)

one of the biggest issues with jewish culture is they are allowed to practice extreme nepotism while white people are not, or at least it's very taboo (and in many cases illegal when it comes to hiring practices). The way Jewish culture is structured is very similar to what white nationalist strive for.

Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Aug 3 2023 09:19am)

^El1te
How can you support continued Judeo-Christian imperialism across the world when the countries doing it are not even entirely Judeo-Christian?

Should you purge the unbelievers from your ranks before going after the brown people? What about the varying sects of Christianity? Surely you should clean that up before the next crusade?

How does spreading social justice ideology to countries you bomb into the stone age spread the good word? It's not like there is any effort to convert these people afterwards, the most dangerous Islamic group in modern history was formed as a direct result of the last crusade into the Middle East lol

Quote (zorzin @ Aug 3 2023 09:25am)

Bingo.

We are considered cattle in their eyes and they envision a world of soulless culture less goys, we're they rule over us with an iron fist.

They want you dead,your children raped,they think it's funny and they get away with it with impunity