You need to remember that the Overton window has shifted substantially the past 4 years. At the time, she was running quite a bit to the left of Obama. Now, relative to what Sanders was saying, she may appear centrist, but you also need to consider what the Republicans were saying as well. As "moderate" as John Kasich was, he's still a conservative dude. We can't let guys like Cruz/Trump/Sanders dictate the goalposts. If you do, you normalize beliefs like Trump and that's not a good thing.

what makes Hilary liberal?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Hillary_Clinton
1. She would appoint SCOTUS justices akin to Sotomayor and Ginsberg
2. She supports universal Pre-K funded by the public
3. She supports overturning Citizens United
4. She supports universal healthcare and tried to push single payer in the NINETIES. Obviously she changed her position to match the times, but having the government involved so much in the distribution of care is a liberal position.
5. She leans towards environmental regulation over business growth
6. Abortion for everyone
7. Do you really need me to keep going?

that's up to you, i'm sure you're aware i'd never vote for her. i'm more-so curious what you see as liberal.

you have good examples, but i thought the top 3 liberal topics were: college debt, universal health-care, anti-war
environmental regulation is a good one, although i'm not sure in what way she is myself. (quick read in... she's still big-oil. just wants to get rid of coal)

This post was edited by tagged4nothing on Jan 9 2020 10:17pm

I think that depends on the demographic. For college kids who don't vote, I'm sure those are the top 3.

i would say the single most important issue of actual progressives is campaign finance reform, getting money out of politics. all the other issues (healthcare, education, foreign policy, environmental protection...) all hugely depend on achieving this, since it's highly unlikely to make meaningful changes while corporations are dictating policy through lobbyists.

in that regard it's borderline insane to call wallstreet / big oil hillary a 'liberal' - she was as establishment as it gets, and that's why she lost.

She would have to be principled to be liberal. She was against gsy marriage until about 6 months ago.

Before Bernie, free college wasnt a typical liberal position.



She was establishment, corrupt, uninspiring AND also pandered heavily to sjw causes. This combo was deadly for her campaign.
She simultaneously alienated traditional workers plus their families and those "white men" that she purportedly didnt need any more [1], all while still not getting progressives and activists energized for her candidacy.


[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/03/18/hillary-clinton-doesnt-need-white-men/

Maybe not among politicians. Still, it took her forever to make progress on most liberal positions. She was constantly criticized by both the left and right for being opportunistic in her positions and that didnt even start during the campaign, it was a motif of her whole career.

Democrats really don't hold most typical liberal positions. They generally pay lip service to the few liberal positions theyre allowed to while making little to no progress and slipping in corporatist bills under the noses of liberals.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jan 10 2020 11:24am

Maybe she's just not a good politician? She was one of the most unpopular and polarizing first ladies ever. When Bill trusted her with healthcare reform during the 90s, she either blew it or was bought by big pharma. She got on the wrong side of history with her vote for the war in Iraq. In 2008, she was the clear-cut front-runner for the Democratic nomination, but lost to a young upstart senator from Illinois. Her time as SecState was filled with controversy and disastrous developments. And then, in 2016, with all institutional support one can possibly imagine, she still managed to lose the race to Donald fucking Trump.

The only races she has ever won in her political life were Senate races in New York, where the only difficult step for a Democrat is getting the nomination - which she did in 2000 by leveraging her national profille and her husband's influence.