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Aug 2 2023 11:35pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Aug 3 2023 02:22am)
Yup.....that's how the world works I supposed....it's like our Ferdia Thread...The Russians are not going to give back the land that they have moved in.....world watching is rather depressing eh Dizzy?



The Uyghurs , that is a completely different issue, they have been there for 100s of years, just so happen that relationship turn bad due to Geo Politics and as you know interference and potential revolution.
And also the resurgence of Extreme religious fervour.

Muslims and Jews have been in China since the 8th Century I think.


Ahhh okay I thought maybe they had been immigrants from the US War on terror. I wonder if NED held any classes for the Uyghurs lol.
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Aug 3 2023 07:35am
Quote (El1te @ Aug 3 2023 12:42am)

I mean just look at the Talmud. The Talmud takes years and years of study to even understand and no one wants to put the work in

People hate the Jews purely out of envy. They are envious of their excellency and great achievement. They are the opposite of degenerate, they study all day and live frugal lives.


The Talmud is an extremely easy book to understand after the first time reading it.

People hate jews because historically they come into a country and usurp high positions of power,introduce usury and enslave/replace the native population.

I don't hate them as they can't help it. All of this is documented in the bible. The reason why the US is crumbling at light speed is because that's what Greater Isreal desires. I might be a good goy but I understand the ((plan))
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Aug 3 2023 08:13am
Quote (El1te @ Aug 2 2023 09:19pm)
They don't have complete control over the US (yet). Aid to Israel is largely a Republican initiative through valid reasons that ^Hamsterbaby stated. However, also due to geopolitical power.

In fact we should be giving even more money to Israel supplying them with weapons to destroy their invaders. The Democratic party has undermined Israel for decades, subverting their rightful territorial expansion, running propaganda against Benjamin Netanyahu and the Israeli government, pushing propaganda in support of terrorist invaders


why is supporting israel's claim to the middle east something american tax payers should do? for geopolitical and military internationalism? to hinder iran further? is that the primary reason?
Quote (El1te @ Aug 2 2023 09:24pm)
No way, I am a Jew lover but I am not unthinking, that entire region belongs to them and they had been denied their rightful homeland for 2000 years since the Bar Kohkba revolt & genocide committed by the Romans.

what makes it their rightful homeland exactly? the only reason it is currently their land is [initially and primarily] the American taxpayer. What has been shown to be true is power is what makes something your land, nothing else. Previous ownership or religions reasons mean nothing, power is all that matters.

I know that the current funding isn't propping up Israel as it's a small fraction of its gdp, but at its inception and throughout its recent history the west has financially and militarily supported israel's existence.

I think the only persuasive argument for the continual funding of israel by the west (primarily america) is that it must be an incredible investment. I am ignorant of that reasoning outside of hindering nations that hate America for its support of Israel in the first place. America doesn't really care about oil in the middle east for personal use, they only care that the oil doesn't go to places like china and russia.

what seems to be the case is America gives money to Israel so it can support military companies such as LMT but label it as foreign aid

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Aug 3 2023 08:47am
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why is supporting israel's claim to the middle east something american tax payers should do? for geopolitical and military internationalism? to hinder iran further? is that the primary reason?

what makes it their rightful homeland exactly? the only reason it is currently their land is [initially and primarily] the American taxpayer. What has been shown to be true is power is what makes something your land, nothing else. Previous ownership or religions reasons mean nothing, power is all that matters.

I know that the current funding isn't propping up Israel as it's a small fraction of its gdp, but at its inception and throughout its recent history the west has financially and militarily supported israel's existence.

I think the only persuasive argument for the continual funding of israel by the west (primarily america) is that it must be an incredible investment. I am ignorant of that reasoning outside of hindering nations that hate America for its support of Israel in the first place. America doesn't really care about oil in the middle east for personal use, they only care that the oil doesn't go to places like china and russia.

what seems to be the case is America gives money to Israel so it can support military companies such as LMT but label it as foreign aid


The topic changed drastically.. :lol:
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Aug 3 2023 08:48am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Aug 3 2023 07:47am)
The topic changed drastically.. :lol:


tends to happen after #1400+ posts

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Aug 3 2023 08:57am
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Aug 2 2023 10:04pm)
Muslims are such a large group it is hard to really paint them all with the same brush, I have no problem with Islamic culture overall though, I think alot of the negatives associated with it aren't necessarily born of it and it has positives that rarely get mentioned.


then you dont know anything about it. islam started out peaceful. later turned into something else. you can be a peaceful person and be fully muslim. or you can be a warmonger and be fully muslim. sounds like contradiction? understanding islam is understanding what abrogration means. in short the later verse that contradicts an earlier verse is considered the greater verse. some divided it as the mecca koran and medina koran.
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Aug 2 2023 10:22pm)
Again I have no problem with the jews having a homeland, and I think it is great for them that it lines up with their prophecies but I still think it was a mistake that caused more harm than good.

How much suffering is a chunk of land worth? They may not be people of your religion who are suffering but they are people nonetheless.



The problems in the EU are the result of massive amounts of people from a different culture coming to countries and not being integrated because it is impossible to integrate people at that scale. This inevitably results in conflict, doesn't matter if they are Muslim or not really. In Canada it is Indians. US it is Mexicans.

Isn't the issue with that Muslim group in China similar? I forget the name atm


i believe its christian prophecies
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Aug 3 2023 09:02am
Quote (TiStuff @ Aug 3 2023 11:57am)
then you dont know anything about it. islam started out peaceful. later turned into something else. you can be a peaceful person and be fully muslim. or you can be a warmonger and be fully muslim. sounds like contradiction? understanding islam is understanding what abrogration means. in short the later verse that contradicts an earlier verse is considered the greater verse. some divided it as the mecca koran and medina koran.


i believe its christian prophecies


Please don't imply I don't know things because I don't base my worldview on your magic book, I could run circles around you with my knowledge of Islam and probably most other subjects apart from scripture, and even that I could probably pick up and understand better than you do within a few days.

I will tear your belief system to shreds you backwards moron, I highly recommend you don't start this with me because you got triggered about me not hating muslims, I promise you what I will say if we continue will be much worse.
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Aug 3 2023 09:06am
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Please don't imply I don't know things because I don't base my worldview on your magic book, I could run circles around you with my knowledge of Islam and probably most other subjects apart from scripture, and even that I could probably pick up and understand better than you do within a few days.

I will tear your belief system to shreds you backwards moron, I highly recommend you don't start this with me because you got triggered about me not hating muslims, I promise you what I will say if we continue will be much worse.


i only talked about understanding islam.
and
by all means school me on scripture.
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Aug 3 2023 09:10am
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i only talked about understanding islam.
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by all means school me on scripture.


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then you dont know anything about it.


^ Who said this?
We aren't friends, say shit like that to me and this will be the response. We don't need to have problems, I care very little about your opinions but I will bury you before accepting any level of condescension from you.
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Aug 3 2023 09:17am
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Aug 3 2023 08:10am)
^ Who said this?
We aren't friends, say shit like that to me and this will be the response. We don't need to have problems, I care very little about your opinions but I will bury you before accepting any level of condescension from you.


meh "then you dont know anything about it." its a valid statement. reviewing the conversation i take back the part were i said "i only talked about understanding islam. "

go ahead take the few days you need reviewing scripture. we can talk then.
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