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Oct 12 2022 08:08pm
Quote (tagged4nothing @ Oct 12 2022 05:50pm)
were almost at 1500 pages of "who's fault it is"
i'd rather see politicians discussing how to bring both countries to the table, instead of discussing how to prolong and escalate a bad situation.

Hmm. Interesting.

How about instead we engage in endless moral grandstanding and talk about "Ukrainian agency" (but only after January 2022) until the world is a radioactive cinder?

Being on the Right Side Of History will keep you warm and your thyroid clear from Iodine-131, I think.
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Oct 12 2022 08:25pm
Russia is so busy winning that they're modernizing 800x 50 year old T62 tanks. I'm sure they have thousands of T72s they could be doing this to... oh wait.

https://twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/status/1580219377026113537
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Oct 12 2022 08:49pm
You guys should be thankful to Putin. He cured Covid the day he invaded Ukraine. No more Covid! Its all Russia Russia Russia. He gave you guys back your freedom at home.
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Oct 12 2022 09:09pm
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Russia is so busy winning that they're modernizing 800x 50 year old T62 tanks. I'm sure they have thousands of T72s they could be doing this to... oh wait.

https://twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/status/1580219377026113537

Snark aside, it's been interesting how prevalent old equipment is in this war.

S-300s are so effective that Russia can barely deploy their air force, and that platform first came only in 1978. 44 year old system (with more recent upgrades, of course) and it's still effective against 4th gen aircraft and even somewhat against cruise missiles.

At the end of the day, a T62 is a big armored thing that shoots shells. Slap some reactive armor on it so it can limp away from a Javelin or whatever, and it's still effective.

Russia still deploying the SU-25 Frogfoot, 47 years old. Reminiscent of the love in the US armed forces for the A-10, first flown just over 50 years ago. (Loved by the ground forces, anyways. The air force hates it because promotions in the air force are closely tied to new procurements.)
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Oct 12 2022 10:12pm
https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2022/10/11/as-europe-falls-into-recession-russia-climbs-out

I'm torn between "Everything The Economist says is bad analysis" and "When The Economist is saying positive things about the enemy, it's bad for the West."

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Despite these difficulties, the recession has probably now come to an end. Many people doubt official gdp data, but it is possible to get a sense of activity from a range of sources. Goldman Sachs, a bank, produces a “current-activity indicator”, which suggests how economies are doing from month to month. The data indicate that Russian activity is quite a bit livelier than it is in big European countries (see chart). A spending measure produced by Sberbank, another bank, wobbled following the mobilisation decree but has since edged back up. Output in the car industry, which a few months ago had practically fallen to zero, has also bounced back, suggesting that producers have managed to source supplies from outside the West. In dollar terms Russia’s monthly goods imports now almost certainly exceed last year’s average.

In its latest forecasts, published on October 11th, the imf upgraded Russia’s economic prospects for this year. In April it thought that Russian gdp would fall by 8.5%. It now expects a decline of 3.4%. This is nothing to gloat about, but it is manageable. Indeed, the economic data suggest that Russia will be able to keep fighting. In late September the government put out a draft budget for 2023 to 2025. According to Elina Ribakova of the Institute of International Finance, an industry group, the budget implies large increases in war-related spending in the coming years—particularly on internal “security”. Having avoided economic collapse, Mr Putin expects to double down, both abroad and at home.


Meanwhile in Europe: https://www.shine.cn/news/world/2210121403/

Economy Minister of France gripes about all the decisions that his country and other European leaders made, but tries to deflect culpability onto the Americans. Anyone but them must be responsible for Europes descent into capital flight and deindustrialization:

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Speaking to the French National Assembly, Le Maire said he feared the United States (US) could benefit from the situation to the detriment of European interests.

According to Le Maire, the US sells its liquefied natural gas (LNG) to Europe at "four times" the price at which it sells to American suppliers.

He insisted on the need to build "economic relations that are more balanced on the energy issue between our American allies and the European continent."


And in Ex-euro Britain, here's a good thread on the gilts meltdown in the UK and it's risk of spread to the EU both through contagion and systemic rationales: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1580285433573150720.html

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In short, Europe is going to learn two painful economic lessons this winter:

1- a significant portion of European prosperity was built on access to cheap Russian gas.

2- capital is international, has no loyalties, and the US is throwing a welcome party.


This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Oct 12 2022 10:13pm
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Oct 13 2022 12:07am
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https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2022/10/11/as-europe-falls-into-recession-russia-climbs-out

I'm torn between "Everything The Economist says is bad analysis" and "When The Economist is saying positive things about the enemy, it's bad for the West."



Meanwhile in Europe: https://www.shine.cn/news/world/2210121403/

Economy Minister of France gripes about all the decisions that his country and other European leaders made, but tries to deflect culpability onto the Americans. Anyone but them must be responsible for Europes descent into capital flight and deindustrialization:



And in Ex-euro Britain, here's a good thread on the gilts meltdown in the UK and it's risk of spread to the EU both through contagion and systemic rationales: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1580285433573150720.html



this is propaganda aswell no?
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Oct 13 2022 01:37am
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Lol. The US "forced" ordinary Ukrainians into the streets to get shot by the police. Do you think before your click reply?

Yes, yes, I've heard it all before about how calling Russians who're rampaging and killing through Ukraine "orcs" is somehow "racist." Move along, chump.


Lmao,
The protesters who wanted to be part of eu, the same that welcomed as heroes nazis entering ukraine in 1941 because they thought they would kick russians speaking out of ukraine, got it chump.
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Oct 13 2022 01:59am
Overnight on the southern front 98 orcs have been sent to Lenin, and 19 taken as POW, they have successfully finished re-education course on who Crimea belongs to.

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Oct 13 2022 02:06am
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Overnight on the southern front 98 orcs have been sent to Lenin, and 19 taken as POW, they have successfully finished re-education course on who Crimea belongs to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB2Hu_gDgTg


Crimea has 96% russian speaking. it obviously belongs to isreael.
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Oct 13 2022 02:27am
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Crimea has 96% russian speaking. it obviously belongs to isreael.


Ukraine is 65% Russian speaking, Azov is 80-90% Russian speakers, your point is as flawed as ever.
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