Quote (ferdia @ Mar 10 2022 06:12am)

A fine role model of American Capitalism : Dont care about anyone unless they pay you.

Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 10 2022 12:25pm)

All the world, throughout history, was driven by self-interest. Maybe barring some religious conflicts with dubious motives, but otherwise western self-destruction is what's unique, not western self-interest. There's plenty of precedent for warmongering countries to raid their neighbors for their own benefit, for securing their borders, for preempting rival military buildup, for plunder and women and riches. How much precedent is there for interventionalism that aggravates conflicts and causes more death and destruction in the name of some vaguely defined, self-defeating moral ideal? 'We must bomb them to save them' is a unique contemporary phenomenon.

Quote (ferdia @ Mar 10 2022 01:35pm)

My understanding is that American governments, either Right or Left (barring Donald Trump and Pre-Kennedy) see intervention as being done in their self-interest, just as not intervening currently (and by intervening i mean with troops/militarily) is seen as in their self interest. i.e. they do not want to go to war with Ukraine on this issue. I dont disagree with you that American foreign policy creates long term chaos in many places they went to.

Quote (mIDDLES @ Mar 10 2022 01:20pm)

learn how to pew pew stop politics

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The Kremlin has set informational conditions to blame Ukraine for a Russian-conducted or Russian-fabricated chemical or radiological false-flag attack against civilians as a pretext for further Russian escalation. The Kremlin is likely still evaluating this course of action but is building out the necessary conditions to justify broader violence against civilians. That risk must be addressed. The United States and NATO must “pre-bunk” such Kremlin efforts, destroy in advance Moscow’s efforts to create informational cover for escalation, and deter Russia’s potential use of a chemical or radiological weapon.

Recent Russian state media narratives have built upon a long-running Kremlin information operation to falsely claim that Ukraine, the United States, and NATO are plotting a chemical or radiological attack on Russia or Russian-occupied Ukrainian territory. Russia may conduct or fabricate such an attack and blame Ukraine and NATO to justify additional aggression against Ukraine.

Quote (dro94 @ Mar 10 2022 07:11pm)

Sergei Lavrov is the biggest bullshitter politician I've ever witnessed

Quote (ferdia @ Mar 10 2022 08:17pm)

where is that quote from ? source ? dont direct link it they might suspend you, just give me the name of the website. wait, did you get that from ISW? you know thats an American site right ? thats all propaganda, each side has its own narrative. here is a direct rebuttal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIHq-5WctL4

my point here is, EVERYONE is SPINNING their own stories and rewriting how we got here.

Quote (dro94 @ Mar 10 2022 03:29pm)

Yes it's ISW

Dangerous giving them anti-tank and anti-aircraft defensive weapons innit

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Russian Finance Minister has said they'll pay external debts in rouble, so they're defaulting on debt then...good luck ever borrowing money in the future

Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 10 2022 09:13pm)

in Soviet Russia debt pays you.