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Apr 29 2021 05:42am
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Floyd just happened to be black could of just as easily been a white junkie, a Mexican or an Asian. People are triggered easily and go lynching and plundering under the slightest excuse


Are white junkies, Mexicans or Asians really murdered and brutalized by the police at similar rates as blacks? Genuine question...
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 29 2021 07:42am)
Are white junkies, Mexicans or Asians really murdered and brutalized by the police at similar rates as blacks? Genuine question...


When comparing violent crime arrests to deaths by police, there doesn't seem to be any appreciable difference between white and black death rates.
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Apr 29 2021 06:34am
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When comparing violent crime arrests to deaths by police, there doesn't seem to be any appreciable difference between white and black death rates.


are you saying controlled for the proportions of violent crime arrests*, divided by the deaths by police, the resulting fractions are similar?

if so doesnt that make sense in a population who's over-policed and profiled being compared to one that isnt?

cops find maybe 10% of criminals, its about where they look. to simplify it.

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are you saying controlled for the proportions of violent crime deaths, divided by the deaths by police, the resulting fractions are similar?

if so doesnt that make sense in a population who's over-policed and profiled being compared to one that isnt?

cops find maybe 10% of criminals, its about where they look. to simplify it.


:lol: good one. you almost had me there.

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https://news.yahoo.com/first-juror-speak-chauvin-trial-145029791.html

looks like we had a reverse “12 angry” men jury situation here. one juror wanted to be sure they strongly considered each charge, and all 11 other jurors thought it was a waste of time to do so
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Quote (cambovenzi @ Apr 29 2021 07:49am)
:lol: good one. you almost had me there.


im not making a case for or against overpolicing of the black community in that post, although im sure we all know my stance, im just speaking to the stats. those two factors dont really answer blacks question that well.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 29 2021 04:42am)
Are white junkies, Mexicans or Asians really murdered and brutalized by the police at similar rates as blacks? Genuine question...


https://usafacts.org/data/topics/security-safety/crime-and-justice/
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Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 29 2021 08:34am)
are you saying controlled for the proportions of violent crime arrests*, divided by the deaths by police, the resulting fractions are similar?

if so doesnt that make sense in a population who's over-policed and profiled being compared to one that isnt?

cops find maybe 10% of criminals, its about where they look. to simplify it.



Such an infantile assumption.

Go live in South side of Chicago and tell me if the rates are the same.
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Apr 29 2021 07:31am
Quote (EndlessSky @ Apr 29 2021 08:24am)
Such an infantile assumption.

Go live in South side of Chicago and tell me if the rates are the same.


i have a major in CJ and a minor in stats with all of my undergrad work in Criminal statistics.

who the fuck are you talking to?

or just read better, im not saying the rates are the same, idiot.
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Quote (thesnipa @ 29 Apr 2021 14:34)
are you saying controlled for the proportions of violent crime arrests*, divided by the deaths by police, the resulting fractions are similar?

if so doesnt that make sense in a population who's over-policed and profiled being compared to one that isnt?

cops find maybe 10% of criminals, its about where they look. to simplify it.


problem is that cops can overpolice a certain neighborhood for two different reasons which are really hard to disentangle: bias against the residents of the area, and the area being a genuine crime hotspot.


it's like... yeah, no shit, cops will look more closely in the ghettos than in a posh suburb with accurately cut lawns.





From the top of my head, the most sensible approach would be the following: set up a regression model which predicts the number of violent crime arrests in a place based on socio-demographic variables like education level, income, urban vs rural and so on. Train this model with data from countries with a more homogeneous population and/or less history of racial discrimination than the U.S. to get an estimate which is as free from racial and classist bias as possible. Then use this model to predict the number of violent crime arrests we would ordinarly expect in certain places in America and compare this baseline against the actual number and quality of reported crime. If necessary, we can add a global multiplier to account for the "arrest-happiness" of various countries' respective police force... The disparity should give us a crude estimate about the magnitude of bias in U.S. policing.

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