The sneaky dealings involved in its creation do not seem like anything holy or divinely inspired IMO, and the resulting chaos and bloodshed doesn't either.

I think it was a mistake to create it, not because I'm against them having a homeland, I just don't like the idea of moving people out of theirs to make one, and neither does the rest of the Middle East it seems.

I realize the significance the land holds to them but I think the way things happened was a mistake.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine

But then again, I believe in the concept of He who conquer rules. a little Controversial to some I know.
That being said , the Brits won and they own it and they give it back to the Jewish community at large....so there you go.

Muslims are such a large group it is hard to really paint them all with the same brush, I have no problem with Islamic culture overall though, I think alot of the negatives associated with it aren't necessarily born of it and it has positives that rarely get mentioned.

there isnt anything 'right in this world? truth is no one wanted the jews. so they (UN) found a place for them 1947 also full filling prophecy. its kinda creepy? who ever gets their conquered nation reinstated? happened to israel twice now.

Are you serious? I use Canada's healthcare system because I am a citizen. My tax money goes towards funding the system. I am entitled to it. Whereas Israel is a foreign nation to US, but it uses US' tax money for something it needs but can't afford, that is parasitic behavior.

Why do you think a nation using another nation's tax money is OK?



I didn't say Jews cannot exist. I just don't think US should send so much money to Israel. For the amounts US sends to Israel, it could easily buy the loyalty of other nations in that region, maybe even have permission to station its troops within their borders. This would achieve what the government claims it wants to achieve and it probably would cost a lot less.



See above. US could achieve so much more by diverting funds from Israel and directing them towards other potentially friendly nations.

But it is ageing extremely badly in EU at the moment....there is just no way a lot of people in the West will consider them civilized.....
Anyways, Religion is a topic I try to avoid regularly and I mean all religion.

He who conquers generally wipes out the natives so there won't be an ongoing humanitarian crisis on their doorstep, not because they care about the people but because it isn't great PR and random rocket attacks and terrorist bombings aren't ideal either.

The reason it ended up like that was because the conqueror gave the land to a group of people who didn't have the power to do so and under the assumption no one was living there.

But it doesn't really matter anyway, it isn't like they are just gonna pack up and leave, so it is here to stay until it gets conquered some day too.

Again I have no problem with the jews having a homeland, and I think it is great for them that it lines up with their prophecies but I still think it was a mistake that caused more harm than good.

How much suffering is a chunk of land worth? They may not be people of your religion who are suffering but they are people nonetheless.



The problems in the EU are the result of massive amounts of people from a different culture coming to countries and not being integrated because it is impossible to integrate people at that scale. This inevitably results in conflict, doesn't matter if they are Muslim or not really. In Canada it is Indians. US it is Mexicans.

Isn't the issue with that Muslim group in China similar? I forget the name atm

Yup.....that's how the world works I supposed....it's like our Ferdia Thread...The Russians are not going to give back the land that they have moved in.....world watching is rather depressing eh Dizzy?



The Uyghurs , that is a completely different issue, they have been there for 100s of years, just so happen that relationship turn bad due to Geo Politics and as you know interference and potential revolution.
And also the resurgence of Extreme religious fervour.

Muslims and Jews have been in China since the 8th Century I think.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Aug 2 2023 11:26pm

Sure but the way free Healthcare works is everyone pays a little bit in order to cover the cost, so when you receive free medical services you haven't fully paid for it, you are benefiting from the taxes everyone contributes.

Israel has a GDP of something like 600B if I'm not mistaken, how is it that they wouldn't be able to cover whatever portion of US aid goes towards healthcare? It doesn't make sense. The US government has made deals with the Israeli government, why would some random person living there not use their healthcare system because of that? If you found out Canada received aid that helped fund our healthcare would you stop going to the doctor?

Edit- Israel GDP 488B

You already agreed with me that the amount sent to Israel isn't that much. Why would they switch to a different country when Israel works fine and they already have deep connections? Doesn't make sense, that would require even more money.

So the reason you hate jews so much is because the US sends them money?

This post was edited by DizzyBusiness on Aug 2 2023 11:52pm