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May 26 2018 04:46pm
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By the same token, the Trump haters and/or the Hillarites, have decided to brand the spy, a confidential informant, believing the less nefarious term would resonate with the idiots. And they were right. The Trump haters and the Hillarites actually believe that the term spy and the term confidential informant, have radically different meanings.



Darn I wish I'd said that. :D
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May 26 2018 07:33pm
So, correct me if I'm wrong, but this whole "spy" thing happened because our federal law enforcement agencies were investigating criminals in order to protect America and the Trump campaign happened to be intertwining itself with those very criminals? So there was a spy, but that spy wasn't spying on the Trump campaign in specific, but on international criminal agents. Trump chose to involve himself with these international criminal agents and thus was caught up in the dragnet?

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So, correct me if I'm wrong, but this whole "spy" thing happened because our federal law enforcement agencies were investigating criminals in order to protect America and the Trump campaign happened to be intertwining itself with those very criminals? So there was a spy, but that spy wasn't spying on the Trump campaign in specific, but on international criminal agents. Trump chose to involve himself with these international criminal agents and thus was caught up in the dragnet?


we don't know the motivation yet. All we know is;
  • Carter Page had been spied on years earlier, but his wiretap warrant had since expired
  • Stefan Halper had previously been involved in multiple instances of the CIA spying on a political campaign
  • Halper spied on Carter Page prior to the DNC emails leaking and Russia investigation officially starting
  • The Russia investigation officially started after Downer spoke to the FBI about Papadopoulos after the DNC emails leaked
  • Halper continued to spy on Papadopoulos and Sam Clovis after the investigation officially started


Nobody can prove either that the spying was counterintelligence against Russia nor can they prove it was politically motivated. And when the FBI held its briefing with congressional republicans and democrats, they apparently didn't reveal anything conclusive one way or the other. Which I can figure because the democrats produced the same kind of statement devoid of specific language or evidence denying the spying charge, and Trump and other republicans continue to make the same accusation.

From outside the black box, I don't think we know anything right now that would justify the intrusion into the political sphere at the time. Even if they had some general desire to conduct counterintelligence on Page, they had spied on the guy for years and apparently decided he was clean, and now they resumed targeting him at the same time it is incredibly politically toxic- but before they had any legitimate reason to do so. The fact they chose Stefan Halper of all people makes it stink to high heavens, its like choosing Bill Cosby to watch your drinks at a party.

We need more information one way or another, and the longer the FBI/CIA stays stonewalls and the more democrats push inane deflections like arguing over the connotation of terms- the worse it looks
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we don't know the motivation yet. All we know is;
  • Carter Page had been spied on years earlier, but his wiretap warrant had since expired
  • Stefan Halper had previously been involved in multiple instances of the CIA spying on a political campaign
  • Halper spied on Carter Page prior to the DNC emails leaking and Russia investigation officially starting
  • The Russia investigation officially started after Downer spoke to the FBI about Papadopoulos after the DNC emails leaked
  • Halper continued to spy on Papadopoulos and Sam Clovis after the investigation officially started


Nobody can prove either that the spying was counterintelligence against Russia nor can they prove it was politically motivated. And when the FBI held its briefing with congressional republicans and democrats, they apparently didn't reveal anything conclusive one way or the other. Which I can figure because the democrats produced the same kind of statement devoid of specific language or evidence denying the spying charge, and Trump and other republicans continue to make the same accusation.

From outside the black box, I don't think we know anything right now that would justify the intrusion into the political sphere at the time. Even if they had some general desire to conduct counterintelligence on Page, they had spied on the guy for years and apparently decided he was clean, and now they resumed targeting him at the same time it is incredibly politically toxic- but before they had any legitimate reason to do so. The fact they chose Stefan Halper of all people makes it stink to high heavens, its like choosing Bill Cosby to watch your drinks at a party.

We need more information one way or another, and the longer the FBI/CIA stays stonewalls and the more democrats push inane deflections like arguing over the connotation of terms- the worse it looks


The interesting things to me about this are Halper's ties to the Nixon, Ford, and Reagan administrations (and by extension the Bushes), his assistance in the political assassination of Jimmy Carter, his connections to Ollie North, and involvement with the right-wing Center for the National Interest.

He's a right-wing hit man. A Republican insider. The time this was happening was around the same time the GOP was paying for the Steele Dossier? Throughout 2015 and 2016, both of these things were happening. And they were a GOP/RNC-led spy effort into Trump.

Comey, Mueller, Rosenstein... all of these guys at the center of the current investigation are life-long Republicans.

My speculation is that the "Deep" Republican Party i.e. the most powerful insiders of the establishment wing of that party, are behind this whole thing. No way was Obama involved in some sort of politicizing of the right-leaning federal law enforcement agencies and DoD. If anything, they were working on behalf of the interests of the conservative establishment. That would be the "politicization" everyone is looking for in all the wrong places.

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May 27 2018 10:19am
deep state democrat James Clapper on the Steele Dossier:
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Well, some of what was in the dossier … first of all, I need to make an important point here. We did not use the dossier as a source for the intelligence community assessment, that’s point one. The dossier is not classified or an intelligence document. It’s actually a collection of 17 separate memos. Some of what was in the dossier was actually corroborated -- but separately -- in our intelligence community assessment, from other sources that we were confident in. The salacious parts, no. That’s never been corroborated. It would appear to me that as time has gone on more and more of it has been corroborated, but I can’t actually give you a percentage.
Some of it was valid, and those memos were analogous to something that we do do in the intelligence community, which is "first-instance reporting." Sometimes those reports are right on the money and other times they’re not. The collection of memos in the dossier are sort of like that.

Our only purpose, at least my only purpose for briefing the president-elect [on the dossier] in the "no good deed goes unpunished" department was to let him know it was out there and Jim Comey, the then-director of FBI, was concerned about the Russians. For them, there's an art and science to what they call "Kompromat,” compromising material, whether it's actual or contrived. It doesn’t matter because if they can they’ll use it for leverage. That’s what Director Comey wanted to warn the president-elect about and we tried to do it on as discreet a basis as possible. That’s why at the end we winnowed down [that meeting] to just Director Comey and the president-elect.


edit: inb4 "he perjured himself a few years ago so everything he says now is irrelevant"

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May 27 2018 01:29pm
BOMBSHELL! Mueller just indicted a ham sandwitch
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May 29 2018 08:36am


Kremlin says Mueller's Russia investigation is pointless

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-kremlin/kremlin-says-muellers-russia-investigation-is-pointless-idUSKCN1IU10O

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MOSCOW (Reuters) - The Kremlin said on Tuesday that U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into alleged Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election and other related crimes would end one day, describing it as pointless.

“There’s hope that it will wind up one day,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters when asked about the investigation.

“In Russian, it’s called passing water through a sieve,” he said of the U.S. probe, using a Russian expression that means flogging a dead horse. “That’s exactly what the process looks like.”

Russia has repeatedly denied allegations it interfered in the election to help Donald Trump reach the White House and has complained of what it says is an orchestrated anti-Russian campaign in the United States.




LMAO.
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May 29 2018 08:59am
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The Kremlin denying allegations? Whodathunkit?
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The Kremlin denying allegations? Whodathunkit?


All the time, resoruces, and $$$$ spent into this investigation with absolutely nothing to show for it.....

Whodathunkit?
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May 29 2018 09:06am
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All the time, resoruces, and $$$$ spent into this investigation with absolutely nothing to show for it.....

Whodathunkit?


How many people have been indicted so far?
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