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Oct 11 2022 11:37am
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Oct 11 2022 10:26am)
What was it that Putin said? We will go to heaven as martyrs, they will die like dogs. He was right you know.


being a low paid RU bot must be a shit job..
Not only is the pay low, but you get to be wrong like 20 times a day.
Pretty close to being a MAGA bot..
oof your both.. suck life.
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Oct 11 2022 11:37am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 11 2022 12:32pm)
Chances are that Ukraine's government, and with it the whole resistance, collapses if Zelensky accepts the offer to leave Kyiv. (I think it was on day 3 or 4 of the war.)


I think in post mortem for a future invading world power trying to subjugate a weak nation, the lesson will be not to try to take their capitol intact and assume they will just flee to exile or defect. You can hardly blame them for thinking a corrupt eastern european nation wouldn't just be pragmatic and play ball. Might have done, before the CIA arrived. If Russia had preceded their attempt on Kiev by knocking out all its water, electricity, gas, etc infrastructure and bombarded parliament and zelensky's manor, they would be seizing control of a city left in darkness and chaos and with no organized resistance or anyone to deny it when they start proclaiming their victory.

Its what the US military would have done
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_and_awe
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Oct 11 2022 11:47am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Oct 11 2022 09:35am)
Russia invaded and did rapes, executiions, mass graves, loots, in a democratic country who attacked no one.


Without knowing, you just described what happened in the middle east which our countries did to them unless you believe they did 9/11 to America and we invaded them for other reasons than their resources.
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Oct 11 2022 11:47am
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being a low paid RU bot must be a shit job..
Not only is the pay low, but you get to be wrong like 20 times a day.
Pretty close to being a MAGA bot..
oof your both.. suck life.


At least he's white and got a job.
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Oct 11 2022 11:48am
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Without knowing, you just described what happened in the middle east which our countries did to them unless you believe they did 9/11 to America and we invaded them for other reasons than their resources.


Wich country are you talking about exactly ? (Without involving 9/11 & aliens please)
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Oct 11 2022 11:50am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Oct 11 2022 01:48pm)
Wich country are you talking about exactly ? (Without involving 9/11 & aliens please)


America/Europe invaded Middle-east for their oil and drugs $. While being there, we killed countless civilians, some of our soldiers raped many women/underage people. We destroyed their livelihood so we could enrich ourselves furthermore.
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Oct 11 2022 11:51am
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America/Europe invaded Middle-east for their oil and drugs $. While being there, we killed countless civilians, some of our soldiers raped many women/underage people. We destroyed their livelihood so we could enrich ourselves furthermore.


you monster
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Oct 11 2022 11:53am
I don't see how the proposition that Russia wants to capture Kiev with that skeleton force is realistic. They say it was a fixing maneuver while they went into Donbass. Others think it was a tool for political pressure to advance Russian interests at the negotiation table.

They pulled away from Kiev a measure of goodwill during the negotiations in Istanbul. Obviously, before Boris stepped in to order Zelensky to drop the negotiations and commit to war.

Lets look at some less recent analysis of how many troops are needed to occupy a city. Here's an article about the Iraq War: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/2004/05/09/a-proven-formula-for-how-many-troops-we-need/5c6dbfc9-33f8-4648-bd07-40d244a1daa4/

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When Germany surrendered in May 1945, the U.S. Army had more than 1.6 million men within the borders of the defeated Nazi state. Overnight they became occupation troops: Their orders were to spread out over every square mile of German territory and demonstrate without a doubt that they were in charge. U.S. troops secured every road junction, bridge, border post, government building, factory, bank, warehouse; anything of the slightest conceivable importance had a guard of GIs around it, and so did a good many things of little or no importance, too.

Army plans called for an occupation force of some 400,000 in the American zone for the first 18 months -- or one U.S. soldier for every 40 Germans.

When NATO forces went into Kosovo in 1999, they followed the same proven formula: 50,000 troops for a population of 2 million, one soldier for every 40 inhabitants. A recent Rand Corp. study by military analyst James Quinlivan concluded that the bare minimum ratio to provide security for the inhabitants of an occupied territory, let alone deal with an active insurgency, is one to 50.

That longstanding doctrine would demand Russia bring at least 55 thousand infantry to occupy Kiev.

So no, this idea that Russia was prepping to enter and occupy Kiev, let alone all the other parts of north and west Ukraine is patently ridiculous.
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Oct 11 2022 11:55am
Quote (SunnyvaleTrailerPark @ Oct 11 2022 10:47am)
At least he's white and got a job.


bro stop day dreaming.. get off the weed and out of your trailer.
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Oct 11 2022 11:55am
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America/Europe invaded Middle-east for their oil and drugs $. While being there, we killed countless civilians, some of our soldiers raped many women/underage people. We destroyed their livelihood so we could enrich ourselves furthermore.


Not surprised you didnt answer to my question. For sur the only option was to deflect on some vague claims while licking looters, rapists, and murderers boots who invaded Ukraine.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Oct 11 2022 11:56am
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