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Oct 11 2022 11:04am
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Oct 11 2022 12:00pm)
The level of copium you are engaging in is truly off the charts. Got any more brilliant insights genius?


Russia is getting annihilated. No cope needed lol
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Quote (chopstickz777 @ Oct 11 2022 08:03pm)
So now you're threatening violence against my imaginary sister that doesn't exist? Man you need some serious help. Sadly very typical for Ukrainians - they are capable only of lashing out with violence when called out or questioned.


Well you claimed that z-bloodthirsty patriot crowd are your "bros", so your bloodthirsty orc z patriot "sister" ate some asphalt recently, just checking thats all.

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Oct 11 2022 11:06am
Quote (kusotarre1 @ Oct 11 2022 11:53am)
And? They weren't trying to occupy Kiev. They didn't even attempt to make a push into the city, they just sat on the outskirts exchanging artillery fire with the AFU.

Everything I've read about the standard amount of force required to take and hold a city suggest that Russia would have needed 10-20 times more troops near Kiev.


Of course they were trying. You don't just airdrop your best of the best Spetnaz special forces troops into Kyiv's airport as a diversion. They expected to waltz in and send fast reinforcements by air and capture the capital. The ground reinforcements were Russia's very own Operation Market Garden, complete with a bridge too far.
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Oct 11 2022 11:09am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Oct 11 2022 08:04pm)
Russia is getting annihilated. No cope needed lol




Cut him some slack, his "bros" are getting evaporated as we speak
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Oct 11 2022 11:21am
Quote (Santara @ Oct 11 2022 11:06am)
Of course they were trying. You don't just airdrop your best of the best Spetnaz special forces troops into Kyiv's airport as a diversion. They expected to waltz in and send fast reinforcements by air and capture the capital. The ground reinforcements were Russia's very own Operation Market Garden, complete with a bridge too far.


Lol.

Here you go with more stupid shit. Capturing Kyiv was their objective? Really?
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Oct 11 2022 11:25am
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Oct 11 2022 12:21pm)
Lol.

Here you go with more stupid shit. Capturing Kyiv was their objective? Really?


Yes, it was clearly their objective. They wanted a fast collapse of the government like the Taliban got in Afghanistan and to not have to commit to an extended war. It was a clear gambit, and it failed. The difference between this and an operation like Market Garden is that the latter had cripplingly heavy casualties on both sides. Seems more like when the Russians realized their objective of seizing Kiev would not occur without protracted fighting, they left without taking such heavy losses and in such haste they left behind plenty of materiel. It makes plenty of sense from a military strategy perspective. The amount of risk they took and losses they suffered was relatively low for the chance to preclude it becoming a long term and large scale conflict. There was plenty of reason to think it could succeed.
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Oct 11 2022 11:26am
Quote (Lvivz @ Oct 11 2022 11:04am)
Well you claimed that z-bloodthirsty patriot crowd are your "bros", so your bloodthirsty orc z patriot "sister" ate some asphalt recently, just checking thats all.


What was it that Putin said? We will go to heaven as martyrs, they will die like dogs. He was right you know.
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Oct 11 2022 11:27am
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What was it that Putin said? We will go to heaven as martyrs, they will die like dogs. He was right you know.


Hows weather in St.Petersburg?
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Oct 11 2022 11:32am
https://www.vice.com/en/article/ake44z/elon-musk-vladimir-putin-ukraine

Elon had a nice phone call with Vlad
Good of him to talk to the major stakeholders before trying to propose a peace deal, he asked Putin what he wanted and Zelensky told him what he didn't want
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Oct 11 2022 11:32am
Quote (Goomshill @ 11 Oct 2022 19:25)
Yes, it was clearly their objective. They wanted a fast collapse of the government like the Taliban got in Afghanistan and to not have to commit to an extended war. It was a clear gambit, and it failed. The difference between this and an operation like Market Garden is that the latter had cripplingly heavy casualties on both sides. Seems more like when the Russians realized their objective of seizing Kiev would not occur without protracted fighting, they left without taking such heavy losses and in such haste they left behind plenty of materiel. It makes plenty of sense from a military strategy perspective. The amount of risk they took and losses they suffered was relatively low for the chance to preclude it becoming a long term and large scale conflict. There was plenty of reason to think it could succeed.


Chances are that Ukraine's government, and with it the whole resistance, collapses if Zelensky accepts the offer to leave Kyiv. (I think it was on day 3 or 4 of the war.)
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