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Oct 10 2022 09:50pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Oct 10 2022 04:54pm)
We were never pushed back to Iraq. Russia is getting rekt by Ukraine right now and still isn't using their resources at the same rate they were when they were on the offensive.

When you look at it in context the picture is pretty clear.

On the chips and missiles thing - We've seen nonstop claims about Russia "almost" running out of everything from missiles to chips in the missiles to artillery shells to tanks to blah blah blah. It never ends.

March: https://www.jpost.com/international/article-701534
April: https://www.ft.com/content/f81234cc-cd05-45e8-9dc0-3219b8886490
May: https://www.cityam.com/putin-could-be-running-out-of-missiles-as-kremlin-loses-momentum-in-donbas-amid-claims-quarter-of-russian-army-now-lost/
June: https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/russia-running-out-of-precision-weapons/
July: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1644610/Putin-news-russia-weapons-ground-missiles-air-defence-systems-ukraine-war-update
August: https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/08/russia-has-run-out-of-long-range-missiles-to-terrorize-ukraine/
Lat month: https://eurasiantimes.com/out-of-missiles-russia-is-left-with-limited-stock-of-hypersonic-weapons/

Why should any reasonable person conclude that the line being pushed here is even slightly accurate?

A quick look at wikipedia says that Russia has companies producing chips at 65nm. and at 90nm. Both are just fine for this application. Can they not be produced domestically? Says who? Why should they be believed? What's their track record on predictions of Russian collapse thus far?

RUSI (a British think tank) put out a report on foreign inputs into Russian weapons systems: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-08/russian-weapon-systems-rely-heavily-on-foreign-tech-report-says
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While some of the components are prosaic microelectronics produced as far back as the 1980s, others were probably acquired via clandestine networks run by Russian security agencies, the report said.

So all this is going on, and we have a bunch of "maybes" surrounding this stuff just in August, 6 months into the conflict, and they're still talking about adjusting policies to stem the flow? I am quite unimpressed with this level of evidence.

As to Russia "getting rekt", lets be clear about what's been happening. Ukraine is taking ground without much in the way of direct confrontation. Russia holds lines when they can inflict more casualties, which they are able to do because they fire something between 5-10 times as many artillery as Ukraine does. When they can't avoid losses or when encirclements become likely they fall back while, again, showering advancing Ukrainian forces with artillery.

During this entire counter-offensive, the only 'major' city taken by Ukraine is Lyman, a town with a pre-war population of 30,000 (estimated, it turns out Ukraine hasn't done a census since like 2012 or some shit. Busted-ass country before this war even started). Everything else is just empty fields and forests.

Now, you can crow all you want about taking back some ground, but I don't think anyone can describe this as "getting rekt." It's an embarrassing display of Russian incompetence to not ramp up conscription much earlier. It's a problem for keeping the people of the Donbass fully on side to see Russia giving up previously-held territory to SBU death squads. But "rekt"? Hardly. In terms of personnel and material losses, this strategy has been quite heavily favouring Russia. That said, I think one of those monarchist podcasters pointed out that talking about Ukrainian troops losses is just a form of cope, because Ukraine simply doesn't care about how many people they lose.
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Oct 10 2022 10:15pm
Didn't you hear that Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country and they're all too drunk on shitty vodka all the time to manage to do something so amazingly complex like produce computer chips?
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Oct 10 2022 10:55pm
Quote (kusotarre1 @ 10 Oct 2022 22:04)
lol, this is so insane.

If they weren't holding back from hitting dual use infrastructure before, then why didn't their first few months of missile attacks target the power plants that they hit this morning? Why were they "shelling parking lots and barns with high value missiles" from their limited stockpiles when there were power plants, SBU offices and water pumps to hit?

The kind of takes you come to expect from a guy who is one degree away from thanking America for cleansing Europe of useless steel production.

Oh snap, it's almost as if Russia tried to capture, rather than destroy, Ukraine...



Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 10 Oct 2022 22:42)
The reason is pretty simple. They've identified western made chips and parts in those missiles, and they've been cut off from those parts for months, only sustaining their supplies on what they can smuggle through Chinese suppliers.

They just don't have any missiles left, or at least not many, and they know without a reliable stream of parts they can't make more.

I know you probably know this, this is for the casual observer.

Sure, Western sanctions on chips definitely slow down Russia's efforts at replenishing their stocks of cruise missiles. I'm kinda with ofthevoid here though, we have no real idea by how much. What's more obvious to me is that their own domestic production can't possibly keep up with the rate of usage they had during the early months of the war, even if they had the chips.




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I've been hearing that they are out of weapons/missile/bullets/tanks/everything for like 8 months now. Yet somehow they are maintaining artillery superiority

Russia is maintaining artillery superiority because they tapped into the enormous stockpiles of Soviet-era artillery and ammunition which were stored away in some warehouses after the fall of the Iron Curtain. We're talking about simple, 50 year old technology here. These artillery systems are not very precise or effective on their own, but Russia has an almost unlimited amount of them at their disposal and can overwhelm the enemy with sheer numbers once there is a static front with short and secured supply lines. (As happened when they captured Lyssychantsk/Sieverodonetsk in early summer.)

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Oct 10 2022 11:05pm
It's possible Russia is totally reliant on imports for the circuitry in their missiles, but I've yet to see solid evidence that's the case. Nor have I seen any evidence that Russia didn't, you know, buy thousands of these chips in previous years - are we really expected to believe that Russia was producing critically necessary weapons using Just-In-Time inventory management? Again, what proof? It's possible, they've certainly fucked up many other aspects of this war imo.

When reading Western news on Official Enemies, it's not enough to have a bunch of "experts say" and "according to Ukrainian sources" and so on and to give it any credence. They've been too consistently wrong on too many things for too many months, particularly on all this sky-is-falling nonsense about running out of ammunition.
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Oct 10 2022 11:16pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 10 2022 11:55pm)

Sure, Western sanctions on chips definitely slow down Russia's efforts at replenishing their stocks of cruise missiles. I'm kinda with ofthevoid here though, we have no real idea by how much. What's more obvious to me is that their own domestic production can't possibly keep up with the rate of usage they had during the early months of the war, even if they had the chips.


You pretty much agree with me then. They've drastically lowered their supply from usage and are having a hard time continuing production, in major part due to lack of microchips and specialized parts from the west.
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Oct 10 2022 11:16pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 10 2022 09:55pm)
Oh snap, it's almost as if Russia tried to capture, rather than destroy, Ukraine...

Russia never had any intention of occupying and absorbing northern and western Ukraine, which is the only way that makes any sense. Everything you believe is a post-hoc rationalization to figure out a way to cast Russia in the worst possible light.

You do know that Putin isn't literally Satan, right? That Russia does things for rational reasons, even if you disagree with the presumptions underlying those reasons?

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 10 2022 09:55pm)
What's more obvious to me is that their own domestic production can't possibly keep up with the rate of usage they had during the early months of the war, even if they had the chips.

Why is that "obvious"? What's that based on? how many Kinzhals and Kalibrs does Russia produce per day?

"Obvious." "Can't possibly." Bizarre you feel that way about a seemingly totally opaque Russian supply chain of cruise missiles, but when America blows up a pipeline it's been threatening to for a decade, three days after teaching people how to explode things underwater, spitting distance from the pipelines, that's grounds for extreme doubt and denial.

Funny brain you got, there.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Oct 10 2022 10:16pm)
You pretty much agree with me then. They've drastically lowered their supply from usage and are having a hard time continuing production, in major part due to lack of microchips and specialized parts from the west.

Says who? Provide a citation.

This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Oct 10 2022 11:17pm
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Oct 10 2022 11:38pm
Quote (kusotarre1 @ Oct 11 2022 05:00am)
No need to take people like Meanwhile seriously, they don't care about civilian casualties universally, only when it's done by Official Enemies.

None of these people ever posted this hard about Nisour Square massacre or the kettling and flattening of Fallujah, because actual suffering is incidental to why they're posting.


it's not meanwhile it's saucisson6k, an obese french user who got humiliated months ago on pard sub and decided to have a namechange + flee pard sub for months lmao
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Oct 11 2022 01:50am
Quote (kusotarre1 @ Oct 11 2022 06:50am)
On the chips and missiles thing - We've seen nonstop claims about Russia "almost" running out of everything from missiles to chips in the missiles to artillery shells to tanks to blah blah blah. It never ends.

March: https://www.jpost.com/international/article-701534
April: https://www.ft.com/content/f81234cc-cd05-45e8-9dc0-3219b8886490
May: https://www.cityam.com/putin-could-be-running-out-of-missiles-as-kremlin-loses-momentum-in-donbas-amid-claims-quarter-of-russian-army-now-lost/
June: https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/russia-running-out-of-precision-weapons/
July: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1644610/Putin-news-russia-weapons-ground-missiles-air-defence-systems-ukraine-war-update
August: https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/08/russia-has-run-out-of-long-range-missiles-to-terrorize-ukraine/
Lat month: https://eurasiantimes.com/out-of-missiles-russia-is-left-with-limited-stock-of-hypersonic-weapons/

Why should any reasonable person conclude that the line being pushed here is even slightly accurate?

A quick look at wikipedia says that Russia has companies producing chips at 65nm. and at 90nm. Both are just fine for this application. Can they not be produced domestically? Says who? Why should they be believed? What's their track record on predictions of Russian collapse thus far?

RUSI (a British think tank) put out a report on foreign inputs into Russian weapons systems: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-08/russian-weapon-systems-rely-heavily-on-foreign-tech-report-says

So all this is going on, and we have a bunch of "maybes" surrounding this stuff just in August, 6 months into the conflict, and they're still talking about adjusting policies to stem the flow? I am quite unimpressed with this level of evidence.

As to Russia "getting rekt", lets be clear about what's been happening. Ukraine is taking ground without much in the way of direct confrontation. Russia holds lines when they can inflict more casualties, which they are able to do because they fire something between 5-10 times as many artillery as Ukraine does. When they can't avoid losses or when encirclements become likely they fall back while, again, showering advancing Ukrainian forces with artillery.

During this entire counter-offensive, the only 'major' city taken by Ukraine is Lyman, a town with a pre-war population of 30,000 (estimated, it turns out Ukraine hasn't done a census since like 2012 or some shit. Busted-ass country before this war even started). Everything else is just empty fields and forests.

Now, you can crow all you want about taking back some ground, but I don't think anyone can describe this as "getting rekt." It's an embarrassing display of Russian incompetence to not ramp up conscription much earlier. It's a problem for keeping the people of the Donbass fully on side to see Russia giving up previously-held territory to SBU death squads. But "rekt"? Hardly. In terms of personnel and material losses, this strategy has been quite heavily favouring Russia. That said, I think one of those monarchist podcasters pointed out that talking about Ukrainian troops losses is just a form of cope, because Ukraine simply doesn't care about how many people they lose.


blah blah blah blah blah blah. This is what kremlin trolls do with everything, they just start throwing out words that don’t mean anything, and act with one dimensional moral outrage against principles they don’t actually hold themselves.+ 10 rubles for you Boris, go buy tea :lol:

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Oct 11 2022 01:54am
Quote (kusotarre1 @ Oct 11 2022 06:00am)
No need to take people like Meanwhile seriously


Says who? You? A low paid kremlin troll working at St.Petersburg troll company? Whose life revolts around writing pointless drivels without any citations and actual knowledge on the subject? Or insulting others on your multi account chopstickz ahaha?




Quote (kusotarre1 @ Oct 11 2022 06:00am)
they don't care about civilian casualties universally, only when it's done by Official Enemies.


Who are "they" ? Making up shit per usual.

Quote (kusotarre1 @ Oct 11 2022 06:00am)
None of these people ever posted this hard about Nisour Square massacre or the kettling and flattening of Fallujah, because actual suffering is incidental to why they're posting.



Neither has Kremlin created St.Petersburg troll factory where you work for 10 rubles per shitpost when these events happened lol.

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Oct 11 2022 02:08am
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Oct 11 2022 07:15am)
Didn't you hear that Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country and they're all too drunk on shitty vodka all the time to manage to do something so amazingly complex like produce computer chips?






Anything you ever say or predict comes true or is accurate? :rofl:
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