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Nov 30 2017 07:52am
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 29 2017 11:48pm)
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/11/south-korea-missile-defense-thaad-system-cant-do-the-job-alone.html

even if the THAAD was in range, is it built to stop a whole arsenal or just a volley? has it even been tested versus what i'm talking about?



just as soon as you can tell me a motive for them to fire an ICBM at the US i'll address this. otherwise you're wasting breaths on hypothetical actions with no motivations, like the rest.



I know this, I didn't suggest he'd preemptively attack the South. that's literally my whole point, and i said as much with the "mexican standoff" label. However, should an attack happen it would be staged at least partially from the South. Likely a multi pronged pincer from the South, both side of the ocean, and china.
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Hypothetical actions with no motiviations? Kim Jong-eun has promised to destroy the U.S. and has spent most of his short time in power developing missiles to do just that. DPRK hates the US. Not ROK.

So that THAAD vs aresenal situation only plays out after either DPRK does launch an ICMB at the U.S. or the U.S. invades. Both countries are toeing the line currently.

Domestically, Kim Jong-eun has been gearing up and consoldating power ever since his father died. Playing to the anti-U.S. sentiment seems to be working for him. His only card to play is to be ruthless because he has zero experience and no one wanted him to be his father's successor.

Abroad, it's likely the CIA is plottng regime change with what's left of the Kim family. (See Kim Jong-nam's assassination). There's still another western-educated Kim left to try that with, though. This paranoia is what's likely going to cause the war to break out, if ever. That or actually effective sanctions on the royal economy. Most sanctions now seem to have a marginal effect at best.

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Hypothetical actions with no motiviations? Kim Jong-eun has promised to destroy the U.S. and has spent most of his short time in power developing missiles to do just that. DPRK hates the US. Not ROK.

So that THAAD vs aresenal situation only plays out after either DPRK does launch an ICMB at the U.S. or the U.S. invades. Both countries are toeing the line currently.

Domestically, Kim Jong-eun has been gearing up and consoldating power ever since his father died. Playing to the anti-U.S. sentiment seems to be working for him. His only card to play is to be ruthless because he has zero experience and no one wanted him to be his father's successor.
Abroad, it's likely the CIA is plottng regime change with what's left of the Kim family. (See Kim Jong-nam's assassination). There's still another western-educated Kim left to try that with, though. This paranoia is what's likely going to cause the war to break out, if ever. That or actually effective sanctions on the royal economy. Most sanctions now seem to have a marginal effect at best.


@bolded 1, lol wtf r u talking about, because i'm not a north korean who eats up propaganda. you shouldn't be either. "he's crazy and uses the heaviest propaganda the world has ever seen, but we need to base his motivations on what he says" this mentality is illogical, strive to do better.

@bolded 2, they didn't want his father, and his father cleared his father's regime out too. he also started the nuclear program. he also pointed the missiles at SK. nothing has changed, at all. this isn't new, it's cyclical.


general question though, where do you get your info on NK policy from? the MSM? literature? i need to see your sources to understand how you keep eating up propaganda.

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That or actually effective sanctions on the royal economy. Most sanctions now seem to have a marginal effect at best.


lol wut? they are the 1%. they will starve last. to be "effective" you need to literally starve the whole nation to death.

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@bolded 1, lol wtf r u talking about, because i'm not a north korean who eats up propaganda. you shouldn't be either. "he's crazy and uses the heaviest propaganda the world has ever seen, but we need to base his motivations on what he says" this mentality is illogical, strive to do better.

@bolded 2, they didn't want his father, and his father cleared his father's regime out too. he also started the nuclear program. he also pointed the missiles at SK. nothing has changed, at all. this isn't new, it's cyclical.


general question though, where do you get your info on NK policy from? the MSM? literature? i need to see your sources to understand how you keep eating up propaganda.



lol wut? they are the 1%. they will starve last. to be "effective" you need to literally starve the whole nation to death.


Your first reply, he's said it over and over. His father hated U.S. too but only tested nuclear devices twice. Kim Jong-eun has been in power less than 7 years . He's made 4 nuclear tests and launched dozens of missiles. That itself has nothing to do with what he says. Propaganda can set a trend that he himself must follow to keep support among DPRK elites, which leads me to the second question.

When I say "they didn't want him," I mean DPRK elites and generals. He's purging loyalists to his father and those who think they're more fit than Kim Jong-eun by being ruthless because that's basically all he can do. He's young and inexperienced. So he has to rule by fear moreso than his father did.

As for the sanctions, I said royal economy. Not the whole DPRK. They have a dark economy based on global arms trade and dark businesses abroad that support the lavish government, meanwhile the actual economy suffers and the country starves. Malaysia is a big hub for this actually, when China gets a lot of flack for not reigning in DPRK.

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Your first reply, he's said it over and over. His father hated U.S. too but only tested nuclear devices twice. Kim Jong-eun has been in power less than 7 years . He's made 4 nuclear tests and launched dozens of missiles. That itself has nothing to do with what he says. Propaganda can set a trend that he himself must follow to keep support among DPRK elites, which leads me to the second question.

When I say "they didn't want him," I mean DPRK elites and generals. He's purging loyalists to his father and those who think they're more fit than Kim Jong-eun by being ruthless because that's basically all he can do. He's young and inexperienced. So he has to rule by fear moreso than his father did.

As for the sanctions, I said royal economy. Not the whole DPRK. They have a dark economy based on global arms trade and dark businesses abroad that support the lavish government, meanwhile the actual economy suffers and the country starves. Malaysia is a big hub for this actually, when China gets a lot of flack for not reigning in DPRK.


many of the things you say are correct but i think you're making a few very small mistakes that have overall large implications to your view, mainly that someone's hate of a country would cause them to actually be motivated to Nuke it, and secondly that anyone not named Kim could ever rule NK. The propoganda is based on the Kim's godlike status as superhumans, this has never and will never be extended to any of the regime.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 1 2017 09:33am)
many of the things you say are correct but i think you're making a few very small mistakes that have overall large implications to your view, mainly that someone's hate of a country would cause them to actually be motivated to Nuke it, and secondly that anyone not named Kim could ever rule NK. The propoganda is based on the Kim's godlike status as superhumans, this has never and will never be extended to any of the regime.


Internal pressure, international tensions, sanctions, CIA regime meddling, and paranoia are what certainly could cause someone to nuke a country. Whether I think he will is another arguement.
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Internal pressure, international tensions, sanctions, CIA regime meddling, and paranoia are what certainly could cause someone to nuke a country. Whether I think he will is another arguement.


I simply disagree that he would, even under all that. I think hed prefer they come take him out to literally all other scenarios. Or let the regime crumble.
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Nov 30 2017 07:52pm
Quote (stimpy6298 @ Nov 30 2017 09:53am)
i almost feel like Japan doesn't even care rockets are just landing in their sea lol...if that was us we'd be preparing a ground invasion


Over here, it's called the East Sea, not the Sea of Japan lol
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Over here, it's called the East Sea, not the Sea of Japan lol


Wat country do u live in and where r u from?
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Quote (thesnipa @ 1 Dec 2017 02:58)
Wat country do u live in and where r u from?


서울

^_^ he could help us by telling how american influence is appreciated or not these days in south korea
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