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Jun 6 2020 04:33pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ 6 Jun 2020 23:43)
Yes...and all of that is very different than "glorifying and lionizing" him.


Does "putting his face on murals" qualify as glorification for you?


Quote (IceMage @ 6 Jun 2020 23:55)
Only if you buy into the frequent narrative that police murdering black people is somehow less objectionable when the victims had a criminal history.

My guess is this trend of deflecting/victim blaming has been the historical norm when black people were lynched or killed by the state.


Big disagree. From a purely logical point of view, "he didnt deserve to be killed" and "he doesnt deserve to be glorified" are two stances which dont contradict one another. That's just a fact...
One does not have to buy into a relativist narrative to reconcile these two stances since there is nothing to be reconciled to begin with.

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Jun 6 2020 04:48pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 6 2020 03:33pm)
Does "putting his face on murals" qualify as glorification for you?


>Protest is about black people dying by police.
>Black guy dies by police.
>Protest uses name and face of black guy who died by police.

Like...what?
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 6 2020 05:33pm)
Does "putting his face on murals" qualify as glorification for you?

Big disagree. From a purely logical point of view, "he didnt deserve to be killed" and "he doesnt deserve to be glorified" are two stances which dont contradict one another. That's just a fact...
One does not have to buy into a relativist narrative to reconcile these two stances since there is nothing to be reconciled to begin with.


I don't see murals as glorifying unless it's something that specifically has those tones. Like if he was placed on a horse or had some other significant symbolism not related to the fact that he was killed.

Like, unless there's some significance to the sunflower behind him I don't see this one as glorifying. It's got the names of other people who have been brutalized by the police, people rising up in the words, and "I can breathe now", which seems to only show him as a victim.




Here's a link to a bunch of murals. The most glorifying thing I see is him as an angel, which isn't really commemorating anything besides the fact that he died, since angel wings are common in western culture to show somebody who passed.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/06/world/gallery/george-floyd-murals-trnd/index.html

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jun 6 2020 04:52pm
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I don't see murals as glorifying unless it's something that specifically has those tones. Like if he was placed on a horse or had some other significant symbolism not related to the fact that he was killed.

Like, unless there's some significance to the sunflower behind him I don't see this one as glorifying. It's got the names of other people who have been brutalized by the police, people rising up in the words, and "I can breathe now", which seems to only show him as a victim.

https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/1216644292/960x0.jpg


Imagine being the pregnant woman he bashed and robbed and seeing this.
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Quote (Handcuffs @ 7 Jun 2020 00:48)
>Protest is about black people dying by police.
>Black guy dies by police.
>Protest uses name and face of black guy who died by police.

Like...what?


If there are enough black people dying by the police all the time to justify these protests, it shouldnt be difficult to find a more sympathetic victim to rally behind than a guy who robbed a pregnant woman at gunpoint.


Furthermore, you still dont acknowledge that for a large chunk of the protesters and the political forces supporting them, these protests are not just about black people dying by police, they are about a broader pattern of "systemic racism" permeating all of society, which ups the ante quite a lot.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 6 2020 03:54pm)
If there are enough black people dying by the police all the time to justify these protests, it shouldnt be difficult to find a more sympathetic victim to rally behind than a guy who robbed a pregnant woman at gunpoint.


Furthermore, you still dont acknowledge that for a large chunk of the protesters and the political forces supporting them, these protests are not just about black people dying by police, they are about a broader pattern of "systemic racism" permeating all of society, which ups the ante quite a lot.


Protests often happen in the immediate response of an incident. George Floyd's death was recorded, posted online, and went viral.

And of fucking course I'm aware that the protests are about systemic racism. You're being so willfully daft.
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Quote (Plaguefear @ Jun 6 2020 05:52pm)
Imagine being the pregnant woman he bashed and robbed and seeing this.


Cool story bro.
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Quote (IceMage @ Jun 6 2020 05:55pm)
Only if you buy into the frequent narrative that police murdering black people is somehow less objectionable when the victims had a criminal history.

My guess is this trend of deflecting/victim blaming has been the historical norm when black people were lynched or killed by the state.


Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 6 2020 06:33pm)
Big disagree. From a purely logical point of view, "he didnt deserve to be killed" and "he doesnt deserve to be glorified" are two stances which dont contradict one another. That's just a fact...
One does not have to buy into a relativist narrative to reconcile these two stances since there is nothing to be reconciled to begin with.


Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 6 2020 06:54pm)
If there are enough black people dying by the police all the time to justify these protests, it shouldnt be difficult to find a more sympathetic victim to rally behind than a guy who robbed a pregnant woman at gunpoint.


You're arguing in a way that confirms what I'm saying.

Floyd isn't much of a sympathetic victim to you because he had a criminal history. How is that different from saying his death is less objectionable because he had a criminal history? You're trying to hide from what you actually believe, just like Candance Owens.

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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 7 2020 09:01am)
Cool story bro.


Yeah she wasn't a multiple time convicted felon so her suffering doesn't matter..
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Yeah she wasn't a multiple time convicted felon so her suffering doesn't matter..


More that her suffering isn't relevant to the issue at hand, because police aren't judge jury and executioner, and he already served time for what he did 20 years ago.

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