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Oct 10 2022 11:25am
Quote (Santara @ Oct 10 2022 11:12am)
...and another thing: the missiles flew northwest, so the broken-off booster being found to the west is not "confounding" in the slightest.


Somebody who is dumber than a shit-throwing monkey really shouldn't talk bro :rofl:
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Oct 10 2022 11:27am
Quote (Santara @ Oct 10 2022 11:12am)
...and another thing: the missiles flew northwest, so the broken-off booster being found to the west is not "confounding" in the slightest.


Jesus christ you are still trying to blame the Kramatorsk attack on Russia? Holy fuck man how do you live with such a stupendous level of just sheer ignorance? All the evidence points to Ukraine and you are STILL blaming Russia. Jesus. Fucking. Christ. God help your ignorant dumb ass, because you are clearly beyond mine.

You will believe anything these low-IQ liars tell you. You should be beyond ashamed man. How does it feel to not only stand on the side of neonazi terrorists, but to also believe every retarded half-assed lie they tell you?

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Oct 10 2022 11:30am
ANYWAY, I just wanted to post about that foreign merc unit that got wiped out on the Zaporizhzhia front.

They were German and one of the guys filmed the deaths of himself and his men. The footage is on telegram.

Germans fighting on the side of Nazis. Truly nothing has changed since ww2. People learn nothing. Humanity will be full of ignorant dumb asses dying for propaganda until the end of time, it seems.

Luckily, these assholes got what they deserved!
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Oct 10 2022 11:40am
Quote (Santara @ Oct 10 2022 10:12am)
...and another thing: the missiles flew northwest, so the broken-off booster being found to the west is not "confounding" in the slightest.

The payload separates and travels further than the body, you have it backwards.

But whatever, who cares. The "report" doesn't address this because it's not a serious attempt to explain things and dispel Russian claims, it's a busybook for people who are already convinced that Russia did it.

Quote (Santara @ Oct 10 2022 09:53am)
You act as if anything short of all-out attempts to deny these services inside Ukraine constitutes Russian restraint. Sorry, but Russia has lost control of its restraint several times. They also went after internet at the start of the war in a big way, which not only affected Ukrainian civilians, it also hampered Russian battalions. But Ukraine now has Starlink, to answer your question. And toilets? They work on gravity, as do the water towers that feed them. As long as there IS power to run the pumps which feed the towers.

:rolleyes:

Abundantly clear that you have no answer. Not hitting the easiest things to cause widespread debilitation of Ukraine's ability to sustain an army doesn't "constitute Russian restraint"? Look at how silly you have to sound just to avoid admitting that Russia has been limiting their attacks on dual use infrastructure.

Months ago, Russia was hitting minor substations that feed power into the rail lines, in order to degrade Ukrainian trains. Every Kalibr that they used there could have just been fired directly into power plants. They didn't do this for a reason, it's obvious what the reason is, but you pretend it's something else. Who do you think you're convincing.

Anyways, you got what you wanted, right? You probably had a nice big smile on your face looking at NAFO memes about the Kerch bridge, and now we all get to enjoy PARD without Lvivz having internet access.
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Oct 10 2022 11:52am
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 10 2022 09:56am)
Well at least you're honest about that. Santara is on the pro-Ukraine side, you're on the pro-Russia side, and I'm on the pro-America side. I'm honest about the fact I don't give two shits about brown people in fuckaluckistan and that applies to white people in fuckaluckapol. If I thought Joe Biden's half measures of dithering in the face of Russian aggression and then turning around and prodding the conflict to maximize casualties was actually going to serve our interests, I wouldn't mind it too much, though of all cynical gambits, I have the most hang-ups about allying with literal Nazis. Actually being willing to intervene directly in Ukraine and challenge Russia would have risked nuclear war but most likely averted a conflict because they'd blink first. Just forfeiting Ukraine to status quo ante would have avoided the conflict. But instead we're risking nuclear war anyway, throwing all western economies into chaos, breaking up the EU and degrading all our international relations.

Breaking the back of the EU is one of American goals, here. It's why they bombed the pipelines.

Like the first head of NATO said back in the 1950s, the purpose is to 'keep Russia out, America in, and Germany down.'
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Oct 10 2022 12:02pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 10 2022 10:56am)
Well at least you're honest about that. Santara is on the pro-Ukraine side, you're on the pro-Russia side, and I'm on the pro-America side. I'm honest about the fact I don't give two shits about brown people in fuckaluckistan and that applies to white people in fuckaluckapol. If I thought Joe Biden's half measures of dithering in the face of Russian aggression and then turning around and prodding the conflict to maximize casualties was actually going to serve our interests, I wouldn't mind it too much, though of all cynical gambits, I have the most hang-ups about allying with literal Nazis. Actually being willing to intervene directly in Ukraine and challenge Russia would have risked nuclear war but most likely averted a conflict because they'd blink first. Just forfeiting Ukraine to status quo ante would have avoided the conflict. But instead we're risking nuclear war anyway, throwing all western economies into chaos, breaking up the EU and degrading all our international relations.


At this point the only way we could save America is for regime change to occur inside America, and for every last criminal puppet politician who sold out the people to the elite and who are behind the war in Ukraine, and so many other wars and millions of deaths, to be ultimately tried & prosecuted for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

This is the only way. Hopefully, it can be done through the democratic process. A process which has now been corrupted by mail in voting. God help us...
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Oct 10 2022 12:03pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Oct 10 2022 12:25pm)
Somebody who is dumber than a shit-throwing monkey really shouldn't talk bro :rofl:




Quote (chopstickz777 @ Oct 10 2022 12:27pm)
Jesus christ you are still trying to blame the Kramatorsk attack on Russia? Holy fuck man how do you live with such a stupendous level of just sheer ignorance? All the evidence points to Ukraine and you are STILL blaming Russia. Jesus. Fucking. Christ. God help your ignorant dumb ass, because you are clearly beyond mine.

You will believe anything these low-IQ liars tell you. You should be beyond ashamed man. How does it feel to not only stand on the side of neonazi terrorists, but to also believe every retarded half-assed lie they tell you?




Quote (kusotarre1 @ Oct 10 2022 12:40pm)
The payload separates and travels further than the body, you have it backwards.

But whatever, who cares. The "report" doesn't address this because it's not a serious attempt to explain things and dispel Russian claims, it's a busybook for people who are already convinced that Russia did it.


The flight path isn't flat, it's a ballistic arc, so when the booster breaks away at a less-sharp angle from vertical as the munitions, of course it travels further.
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Oct 10 2022 12:23pm
Quote (Santara @ Oct 10 2022 12:03pm)


All you can do is reply with these dumbass memes while you literally believe every one of Zelensky's most stupid of stupid coked out lies? I guess it's not surprising since if you had to face the fact that Ukraine massacred dozens of its own citizens in Kramatorsk it might literally hurt something in your brain. God damn I'm so glad I'm not some ignorant fuck like you. You're no better than somebody who believed Iraq had WMD's or that we had to go into Afghanistan to get Osama or that Gaddhafi had to go because of "reasons", and in-fact you're even worse, because the propganda is so obviously blatant this time, even more so and you STILL haven't learned anything. So fucking pathetic lmao :rofl:
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Oct 10 2022 12:30pm
Quote (kusotarre1 @ 10 Oct 2022 18:08)
Really amazing how you people are able to believe things that are completely contradictory. Russia used to have missiles, but then ran out, but now they got them again, so they're hitting the things that they could have hit before but for some reason they didn't hit before. What's the reason? Well, can't be that their targeting didn't include these things! Quick, scramble the old noggin and find some way out! Must not agree with Russia that the sky is blue!

Russia had a large stockpile of guided missiles at the beginning of this war. They used up a lot of them during the first months, then slowed down. Why is that? Is it because Russia suddenly developed restraint in the middle of an ongoing war? Or could it be that they decided to stop shelling parking lots and barns with high-value missiles as their stockpiles ran low?

They of course still had some missiles in stock and also have an arms industry that can produce new missiles over time (at a much lower pace than their initial usage rate though), so it's not a contradiction at all that they used some of their precious guided missiles today to answer the highly symbolic attack on the Crimean bridge.



Quote (Goomshill @ 10 Oct 2022 18:42)
With or without NATO provided anti-air systems, Russia clearly has the power to flatten major population centers as easily as flicking a switch. By conventional means, by nuclear means. If the bombers of WW2 with a nearly century old technology could lay waste to Hamburg, Tokyo, Dresden, etc, Russia could do it today. And they absolutely did so, in Mariupol. They did not in Kiev. That's why we have footage from civilians on the ground going about their daily jobs, driving to work, posting to social media from cell phones, with all the functional services and utilities of a modern city. Its not hard to get the message Russia was sending by dropping cruise missiles into the heart of downtown.

Allied bombers could lay waste to German and Japanese cities because they enjoyed unchecked air supremacy. If Russia had air supremacy, they would definitely have used it to support the advances of their ground troops. The fact that they did not proves without a shadow of a doubt that they failed to establish air supremacy in Ukraine, which also implies that they can't just casually send bombers deep into Ukrainian territory, for example toward Kyiv.

In Mariupol, the battlefield was surrounded by Russia-controlled territory, and they still didn't use helicopters or bombers as far as I know. Also, they needed weeks to bomb Mariupol (and Sieverodonetsk/Lyssichantsk) into the ground, it took a lot more effort than just "flicking a switch". Kyiv is magnitudes larger, much farther away and more heavily defended. I genuinely doubt that Russia had enough long-range missiles to flatten it from afar if they wanted to. (Nukes are of course a different story.)

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 10 2022 12:32pm
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Oct 10 2022 12:44pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Oct 10 2022 01:23pm)
All you can do is reply with these dumbass memes while you literally believe every one of Zelensky's most stupid of stupid coked out lies? I guess it's not surprising since if you had to face the fact that Ukraine massacred dozens of its own citizens in Kramatorsk it might literally hurt something in your brain. God damn I'm so glad I'm not some ignorant fuck like you. You're no better than somebody who believed Iraq had WMD's or that we had to go into Afghanistan to get Osama or that Gaddhafi had to go because of "reasons", and in-fact you're even worse, because the propganda is so obviously blatant this time, even more so and you STILL haven't learned anything. So fucking pathetic lmao :rofl:


Once again, you're projecting.

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