Don't they learn you to speak with some manners instead of insults at the us army ? very disappointed!

This post was edited by Melatonina on Oct 10 2022 10:04am

Then why has Ukraine had power, internet and toilets for the last 7.5 months? They clearly have the ability to turn these things off at will.


The train station was definitely hit by Ukraine. That type of missile separates the payload from the body before impact, the body was found to the West of the impact site. Russians were only situated to the East and South of Kramatorsk.

Also, pictures of the wreckage included the serial number, which was only a handful off from many other Tochka's that the Kiev regime had launched into Donbass over the previous years. Same batch of missiles.

Weird how this "report" doesn't mention either of those things.

Edit: I'm not saying that the Nazi Army of Ukraine intentionally bombed these civilians, but the definitely launched the missile that landed there. If they wanted to, though, they know that they can do almost anything, no matter how obvious, and be totally safe from being called out in Western media. The media environment around this war is such that it encourages false flag attacks on Kiev's part.


Yeah, so clearly. It's obvious!

lol

Really amazing how you people are able to believe things that are completely contradictory. Russia used to have missiles, but then ran out, but now they got them again, so they're hitting the things that they could have hit before but for some reason they didn't hit before. What's the reason? Well, can't be that their targeting didn't include these things! Quick, scramble the old noggin and find some way out! Must not agree with Russia that the sky is blue!

This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Oct 10 2022 10:13am

Bitch please. You're out here throwing barbs at everyone. Fucking live in a glass house? Don't throw stones.

...and it was the US Navy. We're pretty fucking famous for foul language.

The Navy once flew a team from MWR (Morale, Welfare, & Recreation) out to our returning battle group coming home from deployment to teach classes on every ship. Those classes? They had to tell us "you might not be aware of it, but you guys swear a lot. So please, when you get home, don't sit down at your mother's dinner table and say 'pass the fucking potatoes.'"



I just gave you proof otherwise, so your claims to the contrary will be summarily dismissed. Russia absolutely has used the Tochka-U, and there's video proof of that too.

/e then there's the fact that Russia paints its Tochkas green, and Ukraine paints their gray. The missiles that hit Tramatorsk were green.

This post was edited by Santara on Oct 10 2022 10:23am

Then why has Ukraine had power, internet and toilets for the last 7.5 months? They clearly have the ability to turn these things off at will.


Russia using or not using their own Tochka-Us is circumstantial, as is every piece of "evidence" in this "report".

The "report" not dealing with the two most important pieces of evidence supporting the claim that Kiev fired this missile makes it less than worthless, it makes it a joke. They don't deal with the missile body's location to the West of the train station because it's confounding for the claim Russia fired the missile. They don't talk about the serial numbers strongly suggesting that it's from the same batch of missiles we know Kiev launched into Donbass earlier because it's confounding.

A serious "report" would present and then challenge the most important pieces of evidence, not act like they don't exist.


This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Oct 10 2022 10:37am

What changed over the last year of war in Ukraine that enabled Russia to attack Kiev today, which they somehow weren't able to do so before?

With or without NATO provided anti-air systems, Russia clearly has the power to flatten major population centers as easily as flicking a switch. By conventional means, by nuclear means. If the bombers of WW2 with a nearly century old technology could lay waste to Hamburg, Tokyo, Dresden, etc, Russia could do it today. And they absolutely did so, in Mariupol. They did not in Kiev. That's why we have footage from civilians on the ground going about their daily jobs, driving to work, posting to social media from cell phones, with all the functional services and utilities of a modern city. Its not hard to get the message Russia was sending by dropping cruise missiles into the heart of downtown.

Precisely. I really don't get what's so hard for these pro-Ukraine types to just admit obvious things.

I'm openly on the pro-Russia side in this conflict (or better stated the anti-NATO side), and I have no issues criticizing Russian actions where they fail.

I wonder if they actually believe what they write, or if it's just about cynically trying to, I dunno, 'shape the narrative' on d2jsp forums lol

You act as if anything short of all-out attempts to deny these services inside Ukraine constitutes Russian restraint. Sorry, but Russia has lost control of its restraint several times. They also went after internet at the start of the war in a big way, which not only affected Ukrainian civilians, it also hampered Russian battalions. But Ukraine now has Starlink, to answer your question. And toilets? They work on gravity, as do the water towers that feed them. As long as there IS power to run the pumps which feed the towers.



LMFAO, bitch about circumstantial evidence and counter with circumstantial evidence? FOH.

This post was edited by Santara on Oct 10 2022 11:01am

Well at least you're honest about that. Santara is on the pro-Ukraine side, you're on the pro-Russia side, and I'm on the pro-America side. I'm honest about the fact I don't give two shits about brown people in fuckaluckistan and that applies to white people in fuckaluckapol. If I thought Joe Biden's half measures of dithering in the face of Russian aggression and then turning around and prodding the conflict to maximize casualties was actually going to serve our interests, I wouldn't mind it too much, though of all cynical gambits, I have the most hang-ups about allying with literal Nazis. Actually being willing to intervene directly in Ukraine and challenge Russia would have risked nuclear war but most likely averted a conflict because they'd blink first. Just forfeiting Ukraine to status quo ante would have avoided the conflict. But instead we're risking nuclear war anyway, throwing all western economies into chaos, breaking up the EU and degrading all our international relations.

...and another thing: the missiles flew northwest, so the broken-off booster being found to the west is not "confounding" in the slightest.

You are dumb as rocks, just like the rest of your countrymen lol