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Oct 9 2022 06:27am
Quote (Lvivz @ 9 Oct 2022 14:06)
As much as Id like it to be Ukrainians who attacked the bridge its obvious it was either FSB or GUR(Russian military) who perpetrated this attack, 80% sure its FSB
There is ongoing fight between these 2 factions inside Kremlin with GUR trying to point out that FSB gave incorrect analysis of Ukraines capabilities promising fast victory, while FSB is blaming the corruption and military for failing to achieve the targets as the main reason for the failed war.
Heads are rolling on both sides as scapegoats are being sacrificed. With amount of security present on the bridge, you cannot drive a truck full of explosives through so many scanners without security being in on it.

There are 2 possibilities:
1) GRU or FSB did it to undermine the other, FSB throughout its entire sorry ass history blows up things in false flag attacks just like the apartment buildings to start war in Chechnya. The reason for it to be most likely FSB is now that bridge has to be fully examined for damages it greatly reduces Russian capacity to supply its military in Ukraines south until November at the very earliest so if it was GRU they just shot themselves in the foot as they need the bridge fully functional to supply its forces. However GRU is known for its typical no brain approach, just as they rushed Dagestan terrorists who took Beslan school hostages resulting in crazy amount of deaths when those terrorists where ready to talk in order to greatly escalate the Ingush-Ossetian hostility.

2) Just by chance, a truck that was carrying explosives for GUR to the front lines/Crimea blew up where it did. A lucky accident.

Sorry, but unlike with the attacks on the Nord Stream pipelines, I just don't see what either faction in Russia gains by blowing up this bridge.

The only somewhat feasible false flag explanation would be that a hardliner faction wants to goad Putin into declaring war on NATO or using tactical nukes in Ukraine - but even then, there's no scenario in which Russia "wins", but a ton of scenarios in which the hardliners end up evaporated in nuclear apocalypse or being tortured to death in gulag if caught. The risk-reward ratio is so insanely lopsided that I have a hard time seeing even deranged psychos following this logic.

The FAR more logical and convincing explanation is that it was Ukraine's SBU. They are in war with Russia, they have an interest in Russian supplies to the southern front via Crimea being disrupted during the coming weeks when they want to take back Kherson city and everything to the West of the Dnieper river. On top of the military situation on the ground, they also have an interest in the symbolism and psychological aspect of this attack.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 9 2022 06:31am
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 9 2022 03:27pm)
Sorry, but unlike with the attacks on the Nord Stream pipelines, I just don't see what either faction in Russia gains by blowing up this bridge.

The only somewhat feasible false flag explanation would be that a hardliner faction wants to goad Putin into declaring war on NATO or using tactical nukes in Ukraine - but even then, there's no scenario in which Russia "wins", but a ton of scenarios in which the hardliners end up evaporated in nuclear apocalypse or being tortured to death in gulag if caught. The risk-reward ratio is so insanely lopsided that I have a hard time seeing even deranged psychos following this logic.

The FAR more logical and convincing explanation is that it was Ukraine's SBU. They are in war with Russia, they have an interest in Russian supplies to the southern front via Crimea being disrupted during the coming weeks when they want to take back Kherson city and everything to the West of the Dnieper river. On top of the military situation on the ground, they also have an interest in the symbolism and psychological aspect of this attack.


Then Ukraine SBU compromised security of 2nd most secure object in "Russia" after Kremlin itself :rolleyes: , guess Putins days are numbered judging by how well co-ordinated and complex SBU is now, radioactive soup might be next or "Hlopok" in Kremlin . So proud of SBU reaching this level of professionalism, I always knew them to be nothing more than mostly corrupt inept force used by oligarchs to bully their opponents and extort bribes. But what do I know, Ukraine finally has a force to rival CIA and Mossad now.

As for the nukes which will never happen its just empty drivel, world doesn't function by the logic of this thread where nukes are being launched every 5 seconds. In the end putin is a typical dictator who is trying to hold what he has till he dies, launching nukes would end all that in a moment. That is if his order would even be carried out at all.

This post was edited by Lvivz on Oct 9 2022 07:00am
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Oct 9 2022 07:02am
Quote (Impy @ Oct 8 2022 05:59am)
Interesting that you need additional information to say "it's the highest priority that western civilians should not suffer physical dmg of any kind".


"Of any kind?" "The West?"

Nuclear war would rapidly spiral out of control and destroy most of human civilization.
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Oct 9 2022 07:05am
Also would like to point out that "SBU" is an internal intelligence agency that has nothing to do with any operations/intelligence missions abroad whatsoever.
We have FISU for that (independent from SBU for 18 years now)
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Oct 9 2022 07:39am
The Orchestra has entered Bakhmut. Ukies are fucked
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Oct 9 2022 07:40am
Quote (Lvivz @ Oct 9 2022 07:05am)
Also would like to point out that "SBU" is an internal intelligence agency that has nothing to do with any operations/intelligence missions abroad whatsoever.
We have FISU for that (independent from SBU for 18 years now)


Yes that's right the SBU only deals with torturing dissidents domestically. They usually employ random terrorists for assassinations that need to be carried out abroad.
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Oct 9 2022 07:41am
Quote (Santara @ Oct 9 2022 07:02am)
"Of any kind?" "The West?"

Nuclear war would rapidly spiral out of control and destroy most of human civilization.


Funny how you're so worried about nuclear war while you support a war that could spiral out into nuclear war at any time
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Oct 9 2022 07:45am
Oh god who let this monkey out of the cage

Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 15 2022 08:45am)
Ukraine is done in 2 months it will be part of Russia



/facepalm

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Oct 9 2022 08:04am
Quote (Lvivz @ Oct 9 2022 07:45am)
Oh god who let this monkey out of the cage



You calling somebody a monkey sure is rich, lmao

Don't need to post on your puppet anymore eh?

Got anymore ARMA 3 footage you can pass off as combat footage from Ukraine?
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Quote (chopstickz777 @ Oct 9 2022 05:04pm)
You calling somebody a monkey sure is rich, lmao

Don't need to post on your puppet anymore eh?

Got anymore ARMA 3 footage you can pass off as combat footage from Ukraine?


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