Quote (Goomshill @ May 25 2018 10:17am)

Because its extremely obviously a media sculpting a deflecting narrative. Like you say, its up to politicians to craft the language and optics, thats politics 101. What gets bonkers is when the media are the ones crafting the opposition narrative and attempting desperately to reframe the controversy- not the opposition party. They're using an unnamed source in some totally unknown context, which for all we know could be totally made up or just playing purple-monkey-dishwasher. And to what end? To craft a counter-narrative of the connotation of the action, not what the action actually is.

As we established early on, its plainly spying. Obviously by the loose definitions of spying as surveillance in general, but even by the stricter definitions of state agencies using hired operatives to conduct surveillance without the knowledge of their target and report it back to their handler. And if one politician wants to call it 'spying' and the other 'investigating', well that's like 'freedom fighters' vs 'terrorists'. But when the media, even supposedly credible outlets, go out and try to desperately deny that 'spying' is applicable and then seek out whatever tortured headline they can assemble from the unsourced words of an anonymous official- that's the problem.

Imagine if the media had taken this same level of scrutiny with the DNC and Hillary in the wake of the DNC emails being published. Was the media tripping over itself to seek out anonymous sources to claim that Hillary was seeking to rebrand the leaked emails as russia interference to distract from the fallout of the controversy? Maybe some blips on fox news or breitbart, bless their hearts for being just as crooked but in the other direction. No, instead we got shit like this; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izpT4Ye6wdE

Come now, this is what offends me more than anything else in politics, the assault on logic, rational thought and the truth. Instead of being a debate over the actual merits of whether Halper was justifiably spying on the campaign and if the FBI had good reason to put him there- which they arguably might, considering he targeted only carter page before the investigation started and page was already a target, nevermind the bad decision of using Halper of all people- instead of that debate, we're- hang on now I"m almost through this run-on sentence- instead we're dealing with what the definition of the word 'is' is.

Quote (Goomshill @ May 25 2018 01:35pm)

just because you can't put the genie back in the bottle doesn't mean he's going to curse the kingdom with 40 days and nights of rains of sand and salt and turn people into stone until someone collects the nine tears of esmesanti.
lets remember that up until very recently, our futurologists had this vision of a future of interconnectedness from social media and the information superhighway that would erode tribalism and rectify prejudices and bring people together. They thought that if information can be shared instantly on a global scale, the truth will out. Well clearly, those cunts never played a game of dota with spaniards or pinoys, because I never had a bone in my body against them until I had to put up with their shit. And as has been noted by all those crow-eating talking heads, the internet has instead formed echo chambers and clouds of disinformation and propaganda.
But was their vision really wrong? Just because we haven't reached it yet, doesn't mean its not going to happen. Whether we're passing through a phase or rolling downhill into oblivion- if I could make that call with certainty, I'd be a stock analyst. But I put my money on the optimist interpretation.

Quote (inkanddagger @ May 25 2018 01:44pm)

Yep, it is insanely stupid for Dem-allied media to frame it this way. They should stick to the narrative that the alphabet agencies only embed spies into criminal operations, and the very fact that the federal agencies felt a need to embed a spy is evidence of criminal activity within the criminal Trump enterprise of criminals.

Being a traitor is an executable crime. Trump and his base are traitors. We should be calling for right wing heads to roll, not this weak fucking semantics debate.

Quote (inkanddagger @ 25 May 2018 15:44)

Yep, it is insanely stupid for Dem-allied media to frame it this way. They should stick to the narrative that the alphabet agencies only embed spies into criminal operations, and the very fact that the federal agencies felt a need to embed a spy is evidence of criminal activity within the criminal Trump enterprise of criminals.

Being a traitor is an executable crime. Trump and his base are traitors. We should be calling for right wing heads to roll, not this weak fucking semantics debate.

Quote (excellence @ May 25 2018 01:09pm)

so says the subversive bloodlusting election-denier :rofl:

Quote (inkanddagger @ May 25 2018 12:34pm)

When have I ever denied the election? Never.

But I do have a certain kind of bloodlust. I want to see rivers of red pouring in the streets in the red states. We need a civil war to purge conservatives form this earth, and we will fertilize our mother nature with their bloated rotting corpses.

Quote (inkanddagger @ 25 May 2018 16:34)

When have I ever denied the election? Never.

But I do have a certain kind of bloodlust. I want to see rivers of red pouring in the streets in the red states. We need a civil war to purge conservatives form this earth, and we will fertilize our mother nature with their bloated rotting corpses.

Quote (inkanddagger @ May 25 2018 03:34pm)

When have I ever denied the election? Never.

But I do have a certain kind of bloodlust. I want to see rivers of red pouring in the streets in the red states. We need a civil war to purge conservatives form this earth, and we will fertilize our mother nature with their bloated rotting corpses.

Quote (inkanddagger @ May 25 2018 09:34pm)

When have I ever denied the election? Never.

But I do have a certain kind of bloodlust. I want to see rivers of red pouring in the streets in the red states. We need a civil war to purge conservatives form this earth, and we will fertilize our mother nature with their bloated rotting corpses.

Quote (excellence @ May 25 2018 01:55pm)

you’re a resister. reality of the 2016 election is something that cannot be dealt with, and thus placed in a frame of mind that must be not accepted.

and you can always return to your homeland where you spawned with privilege most of the world could only dream of, and start it yourself

or go keep on wasting your 30s posting slightly edgy stuff in the off-topic section on a d2 forum

Quote (excellence @ May 25 2018 01:55pm)

you’re a resister. reality of the 2016 election is something that cannot be dealt with, and thus placed in a frame of mind that must be not accepted.

and you can always return to your homeland where you spawned with privilege most of the world could only dream of, and start it yourself

or go keep on wasting your 30s posting slightly edgy stuff in the off-topic section on a d2 forum