This war isn't about Ukraine, it has always been between USA and Russia. When USA says it stops it stops. I stop sending aid, I get my allies to stop sending aid. I will sit down with Ukraine and says it is going to far, lets sit down with the Russians for a truce or armistice.
Then it will stop.

The influence of United States in this war is the key to ending the war. Russia cannot stop, if they do Putin is over and Putin will not allow himself to be put in that situation where he is cornered and if he does you know what he will do. It has to come from the United States that is my opinion.

Russia is the clear aggressor here.

I'm all for hating on American foreign policy but this is a pretty open and shut case.

So sharing weapons, equipment, ammunition, training, realtime battlefield intel, that's all good, right?



I grew up during the Cold War, so of course there's no love lost for Russia with me.

You're a simpleton if you think my views are generated by media I don't consume.

There is no such thing as clear aggressor , all things happen for a reason. Everyone is the aggressor in this war.
If things are that simple we wouldn't have wars.

All these are plan a long time back, the invasion , the threats , the retaliation etc etc

Below is the image on how I would describe the relationship between Russia and USA in regards to this war.



This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Oct 6 2022 12:45pm

If Ukraine was (hypothetically) in position to hold the Russians at bay without further US support, why would they stop or sign a peace treaty in which they cede significant territory? Just because they are such good friends with the US? Also, the US and Ukraine are not historical allies, they have a far less solid association than say the US and the UK or France. This scenario you're talking about, in which Ukraine makes painful concessions of territory and sovereignty in a peace treaty, only comes into play once two conditions are met: 1. the Russians are able to stop the Ukrainian counteroffensive and 2. Russia credibly threatens to eventually defeat Ukraine if Western arms supplies to Ukraine were stopped.



Bolded: so what? Russia will be okay without Putin; this one man's personal fate will be no reason to continue a war which ruins their country.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 6 2022 01:05pm

Iguess its easier to point ou US, using it as a diversion or a scapegoat, instead of defending somme beloved unhuman régime.

I highly doubt Ukraine can hold Russia at bay without US support. And the reason is clear. When I mean support I mean all kinds of support. Doesn't matter if US or Ukraine or historical allies that is not the point here.

But Putin cannot do without Russia, Of course Russia can be okay without Putin / Stalin / Yeltsin.
His personal fate is the exact reason why the war will continue.

Because US have been supporting inhuman regime and allowing them to flourish as long as their Geo Political interest is met.
Therefore People point at US more often than not.

Without any support? Probably not. Without US support, but while still getting support from Poland/the Baltics/Romania etc? I wouldn't rule it out once Russia's military has been depleted enough.

That's what we're doing already. I think it will be pretty clear when it starts being not ok. I'm against any collateral damage.